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> When I said "information/capability/expression want to be free" it was not inclusive of all of these negative things. And, I find it a direct bad-faith argume
by zeusk 5y ago
> When I said "information/capability/expression want to be free" it was not inclusive of all of these negative things. And, I find it a direct bad-faith argument to say "well that's what you get when X", given "X" is my statement "information/capability/expression want to be free".
There's a lot of bad things about native too, but it is not trying to replace an existing working system while failing the end-users so bad. Neither is my argument to outlaw items that are abused.
> I am the money I make... I am as important as my bank account dictates.
No thanks.
- folkhack 5y agoI'm not saying one solution is bad over the other (ie: feature-rich browsers vs. "native" ones). I'm saying you made a bad-faith argument misrepresenting what I was saying when I said "information/capability/expression want to be free" by conflating that phrase/statement with literal anti-user dark patterns that I find are more rooted in capitalistic practices...
- zeusk 5y agoI'm presenting the argument that information does want to be free but web as a whole is quite less free than its proponents would like us to believe. And I'm definitely saying web is bad over native for the consumer, maybe not for the developer who can worry less about knowing native development which is arguably not just more complex but has quite a lot more of legacy baggage as well. Web is quite largely controlled and censored by a handful of corporations - Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Twitter. Even the standards are largely dictated by Google (who ring! ring! also owns the web platform in name of Chrome).
- folkhack 5y agoSure - you're stating common known facts. > If by free you mean mandatory accounts, activity trackers, 50% screen ads, background crypto miners, 8gb ram for reading the news and email, abysmal performance for what is essentially displaying text, media and information, literally WASM VMs and background webagents running in browser. Let me repeat... when you conflate my whole "information, capability, and expression all want to be free" with a ton of negative/gray-pattern stuff you're invalidating my original point in the above comments with what I see as a separate concern, ie: everything has to be built to milk money from people. Exploitative capitalism/money making dark patterns !== "information, capability, and expression all want to be free" --- I'm done.