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It's not a licensing restriction, it's a terms of use for their network service. It's also not enforced. Their clients are open source, signal-cli uses a fork o
by finnn 5y ago
It's not a licensing restriction, it's a terms of use for their network service. It's also not enforced. Their clients are open source, signal-cli uses a fork of the Android app's client library.
- Macha 5y ago> It's also not enforced https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165 https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco... When did this stance change? Is there a current statement from moxie to that effect?
- gnull 5y agoI guess what finnn meant is that nobody can actually stop you from ignoring moxie's statement.
- finnn 5y agosignal-cli uses a clearly identifiable user agent [0] that could easily be blocked if Signal wanted to. signal-cli could escalate by trying to evade that kind of a block, but as it stands signal-cli has been operating without trouble for several years. I meant they may ask some clients not to use their servers, but they don't have any enforcement mechanism in place beyond asking them to stop on github. [0] https://github.com/AsamK/signal-cli/blob/05abb3f9f6294677d2de97a9d88c8e9de04c10ec/src/main/java/org/asamk/signal/BaseConfig.java#L8 https://github.com/AsamK/signal-cli/blob/05abb3f9f6294677d2d...
- Fnoord 5y agoIf it'd be enforced, we'd see a cat and mouse game of forks spoofing their user agent, and who knows what else.
- gnull 5y agoThey can apply measures to the users. They are not doing it right now, but they could suddenly start. By the discussion on some reddit threads [1], this moxie guy looks sketchy to say the least. But I support the devs who work on alternative clients. The official Electron app is just bad, especially on Wayland. Hope signal-cli will keep working. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mp2j0j/starting_a_native_adaptive_linux_client_for_signal/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/mp2j0j/starting_a_na...
- finnn 5y agoSorry what am I looking for in this 200 comment reddit thread? I don't see any comments from moxie himself, just a lot of other people claiming to know what moxie wants. Are there reports of specific issues with 3rd party clients or comments from a Signal employee or something?
- gnull 5y agoYou are looking for links to what moxie said and people's experiences of interacting with him. The links to LibreSignal (already mentioned here) and Wire stories summarize most of what I was pointing at: https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issuecomment-217211165 https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco... https://medium.com/@wireapp/axolotl-and-proteus-788519b186a7 https://medium.com/@wireapp/axolotl-and-proteus-788519b186a7
- finnn 5y agoI'm looking for people's experience interacting with the Signal server, not moxie. We're talking about if the server enforces any kind of client restrictions. I haven't looked super deep, but to the best of my knowledge that's not something that happens really. I looked through that reddit thread (thanks for that BTW, whisperfish seems interesting) and skimmed over that enormous GitHub thread, but I couldn't find much in the way of people actually experiencing issues interacting with the Signal server. Again, would appreciate it if you could link me to such a thing. As I mentioned elsewhere, I maintain an unofficial signal client and I try to be aware of these sort of things.
- swiley 5y agoPeople wonder why I won't sign up for these Apps.
- finnn 5y agoI said it's not enforced. I cannot speak for moxie or Signal. I can speak for my own experiences, as the maintainer of a fork of signal-cli, and I have never seen any evidence that Signal's servers block signal-cli or my fork. I don't know about signal-cli but my fork clearly identifies itself in the user agent (and another field called the "signal agent") to the server. If they wanted to block me they could. edit: signal-cli also sets a user agent clearly identifies itself: https://github.com/AsamK/signal-cli/blob/05abb3f9f6294677d2de97a9d88c8e9de04c10ec/src/main/java/org/asamk/signal/BaseConfig.java#L8 https://github.com/AsamK/signal-cli/blob/05abb3f9f6294677d2d...
- jchw 5y agoNot equally enforced is the phrase you probably want, since the linked thread contains evidence of multiple instances of enforcement...
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- dheera 5y agoIf their clients are open source, why would they have a ToS saying you can't make your own clients?
- 0xy 5y agoBecause open source is only used as a publicity tool by Signal. That's why their server code was abruptly closed sourced without announcement for a year (purportedly to add a scam cryptocurrency that Moxie has a conflict of interest in). It's hard to trust a project with a divisive, evasive and concealing leader.