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Just off the top of my head, big cities include Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Halifax, Hamilton, Kitchener. You make it sound like To

Just off the top of my head, big cities include Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Halifax, Hamilton, Kitchener. You make it sound like Toronto and Vancouver are walled cities in the middle of a vast wasteland, but most Canadians live in places with >100k people, and even more can drive to a mall within 20 minutes. Do you want to break up the country so all the money and people are in one part, and you and a bunch of dirt roads are in the remaining part?

version_five 5y ago
> Do you want to break up the country so all the money and people are in one part, and you and a bunch of dirt roads are in the remaining part? Yes
- grecy 5y ago
  > a bunch of dirt roads are in the remaining part If you've never been, do yourself a favor. The parts out west with the dirt roads are the best parts. Here's a little road trip I took late last fall on "the dirt roads" - https://youtu.be/pyQMt8om9Io?t=973 https://youtu.be/pyQMt8om9Io?t=973
  - version_five 5y ago
    I grew up on a dirt road in rural Canada. I'd be happy to live in such an area and have a government that takes the local population's needs into account. The GP's dismissive attitude of "you and a bunch of dirt roads" is exactly what the rural population is up against.
    - yongjik 5y ago
      A country made of "dirt roads in rural Canada" will stop looking like "dirt roads in rural Canada" in short order - no industry, few jobs, and every teenager with high school diploma will try to escape to an industrial nation next door. You're taking being part of Canada as granted and then complaining that Canada is ruled by the wishes of the majority of Canadians.
      - qball 5y ago
        >no industry, few jobs, and every teenager with high school diploma will try to escape to an industrial nation next door. This already happens to Canada generally (it's a college degree, but that's just the new high school diploma these days). 1 in 47 Canadians (800,000 of 37.5M total, working population 24.5M) is an expat living in the US, because their quality of life (not just in pay; less interference from nosy neighbors has a positive nonzero monetary value associated with it) is substantially increased by doing that. It's also worth noting that the provinces that comprise that part of the country are also net contributors to the economy; Ontario and Quebec, for all their population, are still net receivers of equalization payments in a way the supposedly massive tax base from Toronto and Montreal doesn't offset. Of course, it's not like those places have any incentive to improve, because their entire existence is based around looting the better provinces. This deal is getting worse all the time, but since it's also apparently a Canadian trait to just sit there and take it...
    - splitstud 5y ago
      The dirt roads their food travels on no less. Urbanites are truly shortsighted in their beliefs that the rest of the world depends on them, when the opposite is true. As if history does not show that cities come from successful settled areas rather than the opposite.
HDMI_Cable 5y ago
You can basically remove Ottawa, Kitchener, & Halifax from that list; they’re essentially small towns with one big attraction. Calgary & Edmonton are basically the same city too anyways.
qball 5y ago
>Do you want to break up the country so all the money and people are in one part, and you and a bunch of dirt roads are in the remaining part? Well, that's the big secret about Canada: the place with the bunch of dirt roads is actually where all the money Ontario and Quebec need to pay their bills comes from (https://i.imgur.com/HnmVWkT.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/HnmVWkT.jpeg). Guess the Federal government should have been paying attention to the economic conditions in its own provinces and the provinces to its East, but then again why should they bother when they can just loot the productive "dirt road" Western provinces (of both cash and political sovereignty that should by all rights be buying) instead?

version_five 5y ago

> Do you want to break up the country so all the money and people are in one part, and you and a bunch of dirt roads are in the remaining part? Yes

grecy 5y ago
> a bunch of dirt roads are in the remaining part If you've never been, do yourself a favor. The parts out west with the dirt roads are the best parts. Here's a little road trip I took late last fall on "the dirt roads" - https://youtu.be/pyQMt8om9Io?t=973 https://youtu.be/pyQMt8om9Io?t=973
- version_five 5y ago
  I grew up on a dirt road in rural Canada. I'd be happy to live in such an area and have a government that takes the local population's needs into account. The GP's dismissive attitude of "you and a bunch of dirt roads" is exactly what the rural population is up against.
  - yongjik 5y ago
    A country made of "dirt roads in rural Canada" will stop looking like "dirt roads in rural Canada" in short order - no industry, few jobs, and every teenager with high school diploma will try to escape to an industrial nation next door. You're taking being part of Canada as granted and then complaining that Canada is ruled by the wishes of the majority of Canadians.
    - qball 5y ago
      >no industry, few jobs, and every teenager with high school diploma will try to escape to an industrial nation next door. This already happens to Canada generally (it's a college degree, but that's just the new high school diploma these days). 1 in 47 Canadians (800,000 of 37.5M total, working population 24.5M) is an expat living in the US, because their quality of life (not just in pay; less interference from nosy neighbors has a positive nonzero monetary value associated with it) is substantially increased by doing that. It's also worth noting that the provinces that comprise that part of the country are also net contributors to the economy; Ontario and Quebec, for all their population, are still net receivers of equalization payments in a way the supposedly massive tax base from Toronto and Montreal doesn't offset. Of course, it's not like those places have any incentive to improve, because their entire existence is based around looting the better provinces. This deal is getting worse all the time, but since it's also apparently a Canadian trait to just sit there and take it...
  - splitstud 5y ago
    The dirt roads their food travels on no less. Urbanites are truly shortsighted in their beliefs that the rest of the world depends on them, when the opposite is true. As if history does not show that cities come from successful settled areas rather than the opposite.

HDMI_Cable 5y ago

You can basically remove Ottawa, Kitchener, & Halifax from that list; they’re essentially small towns with one big attraction. Calgary & Edmonton are basically the same city too anyways.

qball 5y ago

>Do you want to break up the country so all the money and people are in one part, and you and a bunch of dirt roads are in the remaining part? Well, that's the big secret about Canada: the place with the bunch of dirt roads is actually where all the money Ontario and Quebec need to pay their bills comes from (https://i.imgur.com/HnmVWkT.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/HnmVWkT.jpeg). Guess the Federal government should have been paying attention to the economic conditions in its own provinces and the provinces to its East, but then again why should they bother when they can just loot the productive "dirt road" Western provinces (of both cash and political sovereignty that should by all rights be buying) instead?