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Funny you should use that example. I live in Canada, I've also lived and worked in the USA. I suggest you go and live and work in the USA. Be part of their sy

by grecy 5y ago

Funny you should use that example. I live in Canada, I've also lived and worked in the USA. I suggest you go and live and work in the USA. Be part of their system. Use their healthcare, send your kids to school, walk through WalMart, live your life. Sure, when you're in the top 30% or so life is pretty good, as long as you can avoid everyone else in society who are struggling HARD. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why there is so much violent crime, so many people in prisons and so much violent policing in the USA - tens of millions of people are desperate and struggling for the essentials they need just to live. You simply don't have that in Canada, the social safety net takes that away.

refurb 5y ago
As a Canadian that’s total bullshit. You obviously don’t hang out in the lower income parts of Canada. Canada has Walmarts that look suspiciously like the ones I’ve visited in the US. Plenty of poor people who get kicked off welfare or get penalized for getting a job. Poverty is far from solved in Canada.
- grecy 5y ago
  > Poverty is far from solved in Canada At no point did I say it was. Please don't jump to strawman arguments, it doesn't help anything. I simply said there is much less poverty in Canada that in the USA. I think that would be very hard to argue against. > Plenty of poor people who get kicked off welfare or get penalized for getting a job. Every single one of them has perfectly acceptable heathcare, which is a HUGE step above the USA's poor. Yes, Canada has poverty, but it's not nearly as severe as in the USA.
  - refurb 5y ago
    The US has Medicaid, free healthcare for the poor? The claim was "Canada doesn't have a problem with violent crime, violent policing [ask First Nations folks about that!], or people who are desperate or struggling". Which I said, is bullshit.
    - grecy 5y ago
      > The US has Medicaid, free healthcare for the poor? That's not the same, as there are tens of millions of people that don't have access to affordable healthcare in the USA. In Canada (and a host of other developed countries) there are none. > The claim was "Canada doesn't have a problem with x, y & z, or people who are desperate or struggling". No it wasn't. The claim very clearly was: "Canada has much less of a problem with x,y & z and far fewer people who are desperate or struggling than the USA does".
      - refurb 5y ago
        Sure, but my dad in Canada can’t seem to get a slot for his knee replacement and has been waiting for 2 years and can’t walk. But hey, he has “universal care” right? And you said “You simply don't have that in Canada, the social safety net takes that away.” which is BS. Yes you have it. To a lesser degree than the US, but you have it. And how many people just died in BC from the heat wave? 150+? How many in the US? The Canadian healthcare system might be universal but it’s poorly funded and easily overwhelmed.

by grecy 5y ago

refurb 5y ago

As a Canadian that’s total bullshit. You obviously don’t hang out in the lower income parts of Canada. Canada has Walmarts that look suspiciously like the ones I’ve visited in the US. Plenty of poor people who get kicked off welfare or get penalized for getting a job. Poverty is far from solved in Canada.

grecy 5y ago
> Poverty is far from solved in Canada At no point did I say it was. Please don't jump to strawman arguments, it doesn't help anything. I simply said there is much less poverty in Canada that in the USA. I think that would be very hard to argue against. > Plenty of poor people who get kicked off welfare or get penalized for getting a job. Every single one of them has perfectly acceptable heathcare, which is a HUGE step above the USA's poor. Yes, Canada has poverty, but it's not nearly as severe as in the USA.
- refurb 5y ago
  The US has Medicaid, free healthcare for the poor? The claim was "Canada doesn't have a problem with violent crime, violent policing [ask First Nations folks about that!], or people who are desperate or struggling". Which I said, is bullshit.
  - grecy 5y ago
    > The US has Medicaid, free healthcare for the poor? That's not the same, as there are tens of millions of people that don't have access to affordable healthcare in the USA. In Canada (and a host of other developed countries) there are none. > The claim was "Canada doesn't have a problem with x, y & z, or people who are desperate or struggling". No it wasn't. The claim very clearly was: "Canada has much less of a problem with x,y & z and far fewer people who are desperate or struggling than the USA does".
    - refurb 5y ago
      Sure, but my dad in Canada can’t seem to get a slot for his knee replacement and has been waiting for 2 years and can’t walk. But hey, he has “universal care” right? And you said “You simply don't have that in Canada, the social safety net takes that away.” which is BS. Yes you have it. To a lesser degree than the US, but you have it. And how many people just died in BC from the heat wave? 150+? How many in the US? The Canadian healthcare system might be universal but it’s poorly funded and easily overwhelmed.