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While true, I think his point is more about how many computers will be scrapped because non techie people won’t know to do the above and assume that they need a

While true, I think his point is more about how many computers will be scrapped because non techie people won’t know to do the above and assume that they need a new computer. Then massive e-waste pile grows. Do we even know if UEFI compatible hardware and SecureBoot is enabled by all OEMs by default? I could see a scenario where that’s not true. Microsoft should have made this a suggestion and warned about why it’s better for the end user rather than forcing the issue. I could also see “Your computer is not compatible. Get Surface Pro for XX% off at the Microsoft store!” Because antitrust and MS are a thing, historically.

staticassertion 5y ago
Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Or installing an alpha OS that, on first release, didn't even tell you why it wasn't compatible? > Do we even know if UEFI compatible hardware and SecureBoot is enabled by all OEMs by default? If they have a Windows 8 sticker on them, or above, yes.
- tyingq 5y ago
  TPM isn't necessarily enabled though. And it might require a TPM BIOS upgrade to 2.0.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    TPM 2.0 requirement was announced to OEMs back at the 8.1 launch I believe. If they haven't been pushing TPM 2.0, talk to your OEMs.
- stonith 5y ago
  > Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because they play games and the OEMs mostly sell overpriced crap in that market segment.
- 542354234235 5y ago
  >Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because building a computer is very easy as doesn't require deep knowledge of the inner working of BIOS. I put together IKEA furniture, despite not having a deep understanding of carpentry. I added a dimmer light switch in my house, despite not being an electrician. There are many people that can build a computer and troubleshoot 95% of the basic simple problems that come with that, but are not deeply technical.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    None of what was described in that post sounded like it required any kind of deeply technical knowledge to solve at all.

staticassertion 5y ago

Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Or installing an alpha OS that, on first release, didn't even tell you why it wasn't compatible? > Do we even know if UEFI compatible hardware and SecureBoot is enabled by all OEMs by default? If they have a Windows 8 sticker on them, or above, yes.

tyingq 5y ago
TPM isn't necessarily enabled though. And it might require a TPM BIOS upgrade to 2.0.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  TPM 2.0 requirement was announced to OEMs back at the 8.1 launch I believe. If they haven't been pushing TPM 2.0, talk to your OEMs.
stonith 5y ago
> Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because they play games and the OEMs mostly sell overpriced crap in that market segment.
542354234235 5y ago
>Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because building a computer is very easy as doesn't require deep knowledge of the inner working of BIOS. I put together IKEA furniture, despite not having a deep understanding of carpentry. I added a dimmer light switch in my house, despite not being an electrician. There are many people that can build a computer and troubleshoot 95% of the basic simple problems that come with that, but are not deeply technical.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  None of what was described in that post sounded like it required any kind of deeply technical knowledge to solve at all.