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So the moral of this story is that your recent computer was actually compatible with Windows 11 and that installing an OS that's currently in alpha onto a compu

So the moral of this story is that your recent computer was actually compatible with Windows 11 and that installing an OS that's currently in alpha onto a computer that you built yourself requires being computer savvy - yeah?

wdfx 5y ago
No, the pc does contain compatible hardware but by default configured in a way which is not compatible. Even a tech savvy user then gets bored of the process to change the configuration. Most other people will simply give up and either not use the new windows version or replace the perfectly good hardware with something else that someone else has already configured. Now I'm also bored already just trying to explain what's going on here.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  Most other people aren't going to build their own computer and try to install an alpha preview of an OS on it. It kinda sounds like you signed up for that boring work to me.
  - detaro 5y ago
    Installing the non-alpha upgrade will improve this experience how? Things like this not being setup optimally on pre-built PCs is also not exactly unusual. Although I assume it'll mostly lead to people sticking with Win10 for longer.
    - staticassertion 5y ago
      > Installing the non-alpha upgrade will improve this experience how? For one thing it'll cut the 30% of the story that involved figuring out the compatibility issue iteratively.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  Most people will not have an MBR scheme on an ssd. Most people who have a Windows PC they bought towards the end of Windows 7/Windows 8 era will have secure boot on already and working. This user is an outlier.
unstatusthequo 5y ago
While true, I think his point is more about how many computers will be scrapped because non techie people won’t know to do the above and assume that they need a new computer. Then massive e-waste pile grows. Do we even know if UEFI compatible hardware and SecureBoot is enabled by all OEMs by default? I could see a scenario where that’s not true. Microsoft should have made this a suggestion and warned about why it’s better for the end user rather than forcing the issue. I could also see “Your computer is not compatible. Get Surface Pro for XX% off at the Microsoft store!” Because antitrust and MS are a thing, historically.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Or installing an alpha OS that, on first release, didn't even tell you why it wasn't compatible? > Do we even know if UEFI compatible hardware and SecureBoot is enabled by all OEMs by default? If they have a Windows 8 sticker on them, or above, yes.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    TPM isn't necessarily enabled though. And it might require a TPM BIOS upgrade to 2.0.
    - staticassertion 5y ago
      TPM 2.0 requirement was announced to OEMs back at the 8.1 launch I believe. If they haven't been pushing TPM 2.0, talk to your OEMs.
  - stonith 5y ago
    > Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because they play games and the OEMs mostly sell overpriced crap in that market segment.
  - 542354234235 5y ago
    >Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because building a computer is very easy as doesn't require deep knowledge of the inner working of BIOS. I put together IKEA furniture, despite not having a deep understanding of carpentry. I added a dimmer light switch in my house, despite not being an electrician. There are many people that can build a computer and troubleshoot 95% of the basic simple problems that come with that, but are not deeply technical.

wdfx 5y ago

No, the pc does contain compatible hardware but by default configured in a way which is not compatible. Even a tech savvy user then gets bored of the process to change the configuration. Most other people will simply give up and either not use the new windows version or replace the perfectly good hardware with something else that someone else has already configured. Now I'm also bored already just trying to explain what's going on here.

staticassertion 5y ago
Most other people aren't going to build their own computer and try to install an alpha preview of an OS on it. It kinda sounds like you signed up for that boring work to me.
- detaro 5y ago
  Installing the non-alpha upgrade will improve this experience how? Things like this not being setup optimally on pre-built PCs is also not exactly unusual. Although I assume it'll mostly lead to people sticking with Win10 for longer.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    > Installing the non-alpha upgrade will improve this experience how? For one thing it'll cut the 30% of the story that involved figuring out the compatibility issue iteratively.
edgyquant 5y ago
Most people will not have an MBR scheme on an ssd. Most people who have a Windows PC they bought towards the end of Windows 7/Windows 8 era will have secure boot on already and working. This user is an outlier.

unstatusthequo 5y ago

While true, I think his point is more about how many computers will be scrapped because non techie people won’t know to do the above and assume that they need a new computer. Then massive e-waste pile grows. Do we even know if UEFI compatible hardware and SecureBoot is enabled by all OEMs by default? I could see a scenario where that’s not true. Microsoft should have made this a suggestion and warned about why it’s better for the end user rather than forcing the issue. I could also see “Your computer is not compatible. Get Surface Pro for XX% off at the Microsoft store!” Because antitrust and MS are a thing, historically.

staticassertion 5y ago
Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Or installing an alpha OS that, on first release, didn't even tell you why it wasn't compatible? > Do we even know if UEFI compatible hardware and SecureBoot is enabled by all OEMs by default? If they have a Windows 8 sticker on them, or above, yes.
- tyingq 5y ago
  TPM isn't necessarily enabled though. And it might require a TPM BIOS upgrade to 2.0.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    TPM 2.0 requirement was announced to OEMs back at the 8.1 launch I believe. If they haven't been pushing TPM 2.0, talk to your OEMs.
- stonith 5y ago
  > Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because they play games and the OEMs mostly sell overpriced crap in that market segment.
- 542354234235 5y ago
  >Why would non techie people be building their own computers instead of buying from an OEM? Because building a computer is very easy as doesn't require deep knowledge of the inner working of BIOS. I put together IKEA furniture, despite not having a deep understanding of carpentry. I added a dimmer light switch in my house, despite not being an electrician. There are many people that can build a computer and troubleshoot 95% of the basic simple problems that come with that, but are not deeply technical.