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How can an amendment get proposed without a legislator publicly sponsoring it? That is insanity.

by CameronNemo 5y ago

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dvtrn 5y ago
Ballot initiatives are one way it happens in some states. A means for the population to ask their legislators to enact a law or statute absent the legislature making such a proposal on their own.
- kissickas 5y ago
  This is an amendment to a bill.
  - dvtrn 5y ago
    I’m aware of that. I was answering the question that was asked, not intimating this was the way it happened in Ohio.
    - ummonk 5y ago
      The question was "How can an amendment get proposed without a legislator publicly sponsoring it?". You did not answer that question.
      - dvtrn 5y ago
        https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/initiative-referendum-and-recall-overview.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/initia...
        IncRnd 5y ago
        Sorry. That's different kind of amendment. I don't think you've read what people have written to you. You are misunderstanding the subject of "amendment to a bill". PS Intimating is the wrong word. I think you meant infer instead of imply.
        perl4ever 5y ago
        >You are misunderstanding the subject of "amendment to a bill" Probably. >PS Intimating is the wrong word. I think you meant infer instead of imply. ...no, I don't think they did? They denied implying anything about Ohio. Incidentally, it seems like the usage of both imply and intimate in this way comes from about the same time, ~1580s.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      It seems pretty obvious, in this context, that he's referring to this specific instance, and not a completely different scenario where there's popular support enough to get through a ballot question.
- adamcstephens 5y ago
  The only ballot initiative we have in Ohio is constitutional amendments, which is a pretty blunt instrument.
bluejekyll 5y ago
I had the same question, I found this site to try and answer it: https://legislature.ohio.gov/publications/rules-of-the-senate https://legislature.ohio.gov/publications/rules-of-the-senat... I read everything that mentions amendments, and it appears that they either must come out of committees, or be sponsored by a single senator. It looks like the Clerk would know who sponsored an amendment. Though, I'm not sure how this plays in, but at least one of the rules specifically says, "This rule does not apply to the President Pro Tempore, the Majority Floor Leader, the Minority Leader, or the Assistant Minority Leader of the Senate," in regards to limits on number of amendments to a bill. My guess is that it's not "anonymous" in the sense that no-one knows who added it, but that it's not "transparent", i.e. came out of a committee or was put in by one of the leaders (above) in the Senate. I'm sure they know who added it, the question is do they have to tell anyone (they should have to for government transparency).

How can an amendment get proposed without a legislator publicly sponsoring it? That is insanity.

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dvtrn 5y ago

Ballot initiatives are one way it happens in some states. A means for the population to ask their legislators to enact a law or statute absent the legislature making such a proposal on their own.

kissickas 5y ago
This is an amendment to a bill.
- dvtrn 5y ago
  I’m aware of that. I was answering the question that was asked, not intimating this was the way it happened in Ohio.
  - ummonk 5y ago
    The question was "How can an amendment get proposed without a legislator publicly sponsoring it?". You did not answer that question.
    - dvtrn 5y ago
      https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/initiative-referendum-and-recall-overview.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/initia...
      - IncRnd 5y ago
        Sorry. That's different kind of amendment. I don't think you've read what people have written to you. You are misunderstanding the subject of "amendment to a bill". PS Intimating is the wrong word. I think you meant infer instead of imply.
        perl4ever 5y ago
        >You are misunderstanding the subject of "amendment to a bill" Probably. >PS Intimating is the wrong word. I think you meant infer instead of imply. ...no, I don't think they did? They denied implying anything about Ohio. Incidentally, it seems like the usage of both imply and intimate in this way comes from about the same time, ~1580s.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    It seems pretty obvious, in this context, that he's referring to this specific instance, and not a completely different scenario where there's popular support enough to get through a ballot question.
adamcstephens 5y ago
The only ballot initiative we have in Ohio is constitutional amendments, which is a pretty blunt instrument.

bluejekyll 5y ago

I had the same question, I found this site to try and answer it: https://legislature.ohio.gov/publications/rules-of-the-senate https://legislature.ohio.gov/publications/rules-of-the-senat... I read everything that mentions amendments, and it appears that they either must come out of committees, or be sponsored by a single senator. It looks like the Clerk would know who sponsored an amendment. Though, I'm not sure how this plays in, but at least one of the rules specifically says, "This rule does not apply to the President Pro Tempore, the Majority Floor Leader, the Minority Leader, or the Assistant Minority Leader of the Senate," in regards to limits on number of amendments to a bill. My guess is that it's not "anonymous" in the sense that no-one knows who added it, but that it's not "transparent", i.e. came out of a committee or was put in by one of the leaders (above) in the Senate. I'm sure they know who added it, the question is do they have to tell anyone (they should have to for government transparency).