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Option #4, Theo was responding to virtualization advocates who claimed VMs offered as good or better security isolation than physically separate boxen. At the

by wahern 5y ago

Option #4, Theo was responding to virtualization advocates who claimed VMs offered as good or better security isolation than physically separate boxen. At the time and in some cases still today, plenty of advocates still make that claim. Many others just assume the truth of it, if only because to question it would cause cognitive dissonance with the prevalence of cloud hosting. (Notwithstanding that some savvier companies use EC2 much like they would a traditional server leasing provider, using instance types that take up the entire machine. Security and convenience is sometimes a trade-off, but some bargains are better than others if you don't succumb to simplistic, categorical claims. Which is what Theo was railing against.) EDIT: For context, here's the original post https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119318909016582 https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119318909016582. It's from 2007, when hardware virtualization extensions were new and all VMMs had to emulate network interface cards and similar hardware. These days virtio devices are common place, which helps to substantially reduce footprint. OpenBSD even has its own native VMM, which of course only supports virtio devices.

tptacek 5y ago
Sure. I 100% think there's a reasonable reading of de Raadt's virtualization take; you don't even have to be charitable to find it. It's just not the take that people who try to dunk with it on message boards are reading.
- antonvs 5y ago
  Surname convention trivia: The lower case "de" is only used when preceded by another part of the name, like first name, initials, or another part of the last name. When used on its own, or prefixed by a title like Mr., then "De Raadt" is correct. Here's a description of this: https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/how-to-capitalize-dutch-names-with-prefixes/ https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/how-to-capitalize-dutch-names-... So e.g. you would write Vincent van Gogh, V. van Gogh, Mr. Van Gogh, or Van Gogh.

by wahern 5y ago

tptacek 5y ago

Sure. I 100% think there's a reasonable reading of de Raadt's virtualization take; you don't even have to be charitable to find it. It's just not the take that people who try to dunk with it on message boards are reading.

antonvs 5y ago
Surname convention trivia: The lower case "de" is only used when preceded by another part of the name, like first name, initials, or another part of the last name. When used on its own, or prefixed by a title like Mr., then "De Raadt" is correct. Here's a description of this: https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/how-to-capitalize-dutch-names-with-prefixes/ https://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/how-to-capitalize-dutch-names-... So e.g. you would write Vincent van Gogh, V. van Gogh, Mr. Van Gogh, or Van Gogh.