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Money. Only the newest Intel and AMD processors will do: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel

Money. Only the newest Intel and AMD processors will do: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... Deprecating a whole generation of hardware that do not meet minimum requirements will generate sales for Intel, AMD, and PC OEMs. Edit: downvotes? Where's your counterargument? How is Windows 11 not designed to give Microsoft, Intel, AMD, and PC OEMs more profit?

idonotknowwhy 5y ago
But how does money going to Intel, amd and lenovo help Microsoft?
- setum 5y ago
  Windows 11 is being offered as free upgrade to consumers, OEMs will still need to pay.
- Ayesh 5y ago
  New devices = New Windows licenses = More money
- mahgnous 5y ago
  All those new machines will have to buy a Windows 11 license.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    Right, but approximately 0 people are going to buy a new computer just to get Windows 11. That is: If I've got to have 11, I'll buy a new computer to get it, but my goal isn't a new computer, it's Windows 11. Selling a new computer vs selling me Windows 11 for an old computer doesn't put a lot of extra money in Microsoft's pocket, so why do they care? But if they did it the other way, they'd get all the people who buy new machines, and they'd be able to sell upgrades to people who wanted 11, but didn't want it bad enough to buy a new machine.
    - fuzzfactor 5y ago
      >Right, but approximately 0 people are going to buy a new computer just to get Windows 11. No, but people who need a new PC won't be able to get one with any Windows other than W11, and if the Legacy BIOS CSM option is removed from UEFI motherboards then those who need Windows 7 will no longer be able to run it on the bare metal. So there will be reduced possibility of mass awareness among busineses where speed is an issue, about how much faster W7 is compared to W11 on the exact same hardware. The hardware is definitely getting faster and Windows is getting slower. As Windows performance slows down for W11, a lot of businesses still are licensed to use W7 if they wanted to switch back, it's a viable option for the majority of PC's that don't need to be on the internet, and of course it's a breeze to dual-boot to W10 when you need the web right now. When W7 was finally very mature & reliable I see the purpose of rushing to W8, w10, & W11 as simply the same anti-competitive forced hardware obsolescence as if there was a competitive offering from a different company which couldn't keep up. But Linux is not a threatening competitor yet, plus it's open source and already infiltrated by Microsoft. Tne only real competition is W7. As we have seen W11 can actually function ideally on a BIOS mainboard. Plus some UEFI boards do not fail to support Microsoft SecureBoot even when the Legacy CSM is enabled. Whoever would ultimately benefit from running older Windows on a brand new PC, that possibility is targeted for extinction with the continued movement in this direction.
- thesuperbigfrog 5y ago
  Windows 11 requires a Microsoft account to use. Windows 11 has default integration with Microsoft Teams. Windows 11 is Microsoft's Android play. The purpose is to drive adoption of Microsoft services, gaming on Microsoft platforms, and boost the PC ecosystem.
- MikusR 5y ago
  Majority of Windows licenses are sold by oems with new pcs. People updating their old computers means no new licenses sold.
slantyyz 5y ago
> Deprecating a whole generation of hardware that do not meet minimum requirements will generate sales for Intel, AMD, and PC OEMs. Is Windows 11 even compelling enough for people to break their normal hardware upgrade schedule? I have more Windows machines than I'd like to admit, and only one of them (purchased this year) can run Windows 11. I'm in no rush to upgrade any of the other, non-qualifying devices any time soon, as they are more than usable in their current state.
- Hamuko 5y ago
  >Is Windows 11 even compelling enough for people to break their normal hardware upgrade schedule? No and your average consumer doesn't care anyways. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
  - slantyyz 5y ago
    I would think that most enterprise customers will try to run Windows 10 as long as they can too.
    - jfk13 5y ago
      If they're not still on Win7 or XP, that is...
staticassertion 5y ago
This makes sense if you know nothing about how Microsoft is structured or making money, but otherwise falls apart. Windows licenses are not what they're prioritizing. But it is obviously money - kinda silly to point out that that's why a business does things, but yeah, you nailed it. Microsoft sees threats to its business in a number of forms, and believes that this hardware requirement will address them.
- laurent92 5y ago
  > Microsoft sees threats to its business in a number of forms, and believes that this hardware requirement will address them. Sorry for not understanding straight away but, what is the threat that is being addressed with hardware requirements?
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    No need to be sorry, it's a perfectly reasonable question. 1. Security is a huge threat to Windows, 0365, etc. Microsoft and "malware" go together a little too much in the public's eyes and that hurts their business. Addressing this through hardware is reasonable, but they even have an entire product line now around this - Sentinel. 2. Microsoft likely sees GSuite as a major threat to 0365. Where Microsoft's major client is Windows, GSuite's client is ChromeOS. ChromeOS has mandated TPM 2.0 and baked it into every system, and they offer GSuite features that integrate with that - it's a massive security win for ChromeOS users, and Microsoft has to have TPM 2.0 to compete. I hope that clears this up for TPM 2.0. As for the intel series, I can't comment, I haven't looked into it and as I said elsewhere I feel that MS could easily reduce the requirement.

idonotknowwhy 5y ago

But how does money going to Intel, amd and lenovo help Microsoft?

setum 5y ago
Windows 11 is being offered as free upgrade to consumers, OEMs will still need to pay.
Ayesh 5y ago
New devices = New Windows licenses = More money
mahgnous 5y ago
All those new machines will have to buy a Windows 11 license.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Right, but approximately 0 people are going to buy a new computer just to get Windows 11. That is: If I've got to have 11, I'll buy a new computer to get it, but my goal isn't a new computer, it's Windows 11. Selling a new computer vs selling me Windows 11 for an old computer doesn't put a lot of extra money in Microsoft's pocket, so why do they care? But if they did it the other way, they'd get all the people who buy new machines, and they'd be able to sell upgrades to people who wanted 11, but didn't want it bad enough to buy a new machine.
  - fuzzfactor 5y ago
    >Right, but approximately 0 people are going to buy a new computer just to get Windows 11. No, but people who need a new PC won't be able to get one with any Windows other than W11, and if the Legacy BIOS CSM option is removed from UEFI motherboards then those who need Windows 7 will no longer be able to run it on the bare metal. So there will be reduced possibility of mass awareness among busineses where speed is an issue, about how much faster W7 is compared to W11 on the exact same hardware. The hardware is definitely getting faster and Windows is getting slower. As Windows performance slows down for W11, a lot of businesses still are licensed to use W7 if they wanted to switch back, it's a viable option for the majority of PC's that don't need to be on the internet, and of course it's a breeze to dual-boot to W10 when you need the web right now. When W7 was finally very mature & reliable I see the purpose of rushing to W8, w10, & W11 as simply the same anti-competitive forced hardware obsolescence as if there was a competitive offering from a different company which couldn't keep up. But Linux is not a threatening competitor yet, plus it's open source and already infiltrated by Microsoft. Tne only real competition is W7. As we have seen W11 can actually function ideally on a BIOS mainboard. Plus some UEFI boards do not fail to support Microsoft SecureBoot even when the Legacy CSM is enabled. Whoever would ultimately benefit from running older Windows on a brand new PC, that possibility is targeted for extinction with the continued movement in this direction.
thesuperbigfrog 5y ago
Windows 11 requires a Microsoft account to use. Windows 11 has default integration with Microsoft Teams. Windows 11 is Microsoft's Android play. The purpose is to drive adoption of Microsoft services, gaming on Microsoft platforms, and boost the PC ecosystem.
MikusR 5y ago
Majority of Windows licenses are sold by oems with new pcs. People updating their old computers means no new licenses sold.

slantyyz 5y ago

> Deprecating a whole generation of hardware that do not meet minimum requirements will generate sales for Intel, AMD, and PC OEMs. Is Windows 11 even compelling enough for people to break their normal hardware upgrade schedule? I have more Windows machines than I'd like to admit, and only one of them (purchased this year) can run Windows 11. I'm in no rush to upgrade any of the other, non-qualifying devices any time soon, as they are more than usable in their current state.

Hamuko 5y ago
>Is Windows 11 even compelling enough for people to break their normal hardware upgrade schedule? No and your average consumer doesn't care anyways. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
- slantyyz 5y ago
  I would think that most enterprise customers will try to run Windows 10 as long as they can too.
  - jfk13 5y ago
    If they're not still on Win7 or XP, that is...

staticassertion 5y ago

This makes sense if you know nothing about how Microsoft is structured or making money, but otherwise falls apart. Windows licenses are not what they're prioritizing. But it is obviously money - kinda silly to point out that that's why a business does things, but yeah, you nailed it. Microsoft sees threats to its business in a number of forms, and believes that this hardware requirement will address them.

laurent92 5y ago
> Microsoft sees threats to its business in a number of forms, and believes that this hardware requirement will address them. Sorry for not understanding straight away but, what is the threat that is being addressed with hardware requirements?
- staticassertion 5y ago
  No need to be sorry, it's a perfectly reasonable question. 1. Security is a huge threat to Windows, 0365, etc. Microsoft and "malware" go together a little too much in the public's eyes and that hurts their business. Addressing this through hardware is reasonable, but they even have an entire product line now around this - Sentinel. 2. Microsoft likely sees GSuite as a major threat to 0365. Where Microsoft's major client is Windows, GSuite's client is ChromeOS. ChromeOS has mandated TPM 2.0 and baked it into every system, and they offer GSuite features that integrate with that - it's a massive security win for ChromeOS users, and Microsoft has to have TPM 2.0 to compete. I hope that clears this up for TPM 2.0. As for the intel series, I can't comment, I haven't looked into it and as I said elsewhere I feel that MS could easily reduce the requirement.