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Thank you, Microsoft! Thousands, potentially millions, of users will be motivated to migrate to other OSes, also thanks to Windows 11 insane hardware requiremen

Thank you, Microsoft! Thousands, potentially millions, of users will be motivated to migrate to other OSes, also thanks to Windows 11 insane hardware requirements they will find tons of essentially free hardware that will run their new OS with no issues.

kungito 5y ago
Sometimes I laugh at arguments like this, sometimes I get pissed of. You are seriously disconnected from reality if you think this will change anything except all laptops having a front webcam. I haven't seen one without it ever anyways
- hans-moleman 5y ago
  This website is an echo chamber many times more niche than other social websites. It’s mainly tech nerds with very similar beliefs and backgrounds. Opinons here, as with most websites, should be taken with a grain of salt.
- squarefoot 5y ago
  There are some realities I may have been connected in the past, in which a laptop with a camera cannot enter if it is yours, and won't have a camera at all if it's from the employer. The point however was Microsoft imposing unnecessary hardware requirements, and my comment stands since from a Linux (BSD, whatever) point of view, lots of Windows users ditching their perfectly good few years old PC means a huge load of good hardware to be taken almost for free since our demand would never match the huge offer. Regarding messing with hardware requirements, I seem to recall Microsoft did a similar thing when they dictated that netbooks up to a certain size could not have more than this CPU and that amount of RAM to be eligible for receiving discounted OEM XP copies; it was called ULCPC or something like that. In that case they didn't set the minimum bar, but the maximum one. Which of course also produced tons of garbage since netbooks too slow or non upgradeable over 1 Gig RAM became hard to use with Linux too.
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    Your last paragraph goes against your original thesis. Whatever Microsoft did. It didn’t impact much at all. There was no migration. Netbooks aren’t even a thing any more outside Chromebooks. The point doesn’t stand since there won’t be some exodus of users switching to Linux. None of my friends or likey acquaintances who aren’t programmers or in related fields including a handful who sometimes or frequently keep up with general tech/gadget news, can tell you a Linux distro name. They likely can’t tell you what a distro is. I’m sure if I was to say Ubuntu they would say yes they have heard of it of are a bit familiar, but that’s the extent of it.
_-david-_ 5y ago
What laptop doesn't have a front webcam especially one that is at least 720p (I assume that is what is considered hd)? You can buy a $150 laptop and it likely would work.
- dagw 5y ago
  Some so called gaming laptops don't. The Asus G14 for example was a series of extremely popular and well reviewed laptops without a front webcam. They where even quite popular with developers since they offered class leading CPU and GPU performance in a relatively lightweight package.
  - _-david-_ 5y ago
    Thanks. I didn't realize that. I assumed with the size of gaming laptops they would all have webcams.
    - dagw 5y ago
      Dell also at least used to offer some of their Latitude laptops without webcams, probably targeting people and industries working in situations where cameras in certain areas where forbidden.
- dTal 5y ago
  Virtually none of the recent crop of UMPCs have them. At that size, they just don't fit in the screen bezel. One model has a camera in the hinge, but most just don't bother.
skinnymuch 5y ago
This won’t do anything in the realm of millions of users. I’m not even sure what the lazy part is trying to say. What OS are these supposed people moving to? It’s not Linux. It’s likely not Mac as moving to that will be for other reasons, not this...especially when every MacBook and iMac has a front facing camera.

kungito 5y ago

Sometimes I laugh at arguments like this, sometimes I get pissed of. You are seriously disconnected from reality if you think this will change anything except all laptops having a front webcam. I haven't seen one without it ever anyways

hans-moleman 5y ago
This website is an echo chamber many times more niche than other social websites. It’s mainly tech nerds with very similar beliefs and backgrounds. Opinons here, as with most websites, should be taken with a grain of salt.
squarefoot 5y ago
There are some realities I may have been connected in the past, in which a laptop with a camera cannot enter if it is yours, and won't have a camera at all if it's from the employer. The point however was Microsoft imposing unnecessary hardware requirements, and my comment stands since from a Linux (BSD, whatever) point of view, lots of Windows users ditching their perfectly good few years old PC means a huge load of good hardware to be taken almost for free since our demand would never match the huge offer. Regarding messing with hardware requirements, I seem to recall Microsoft did a similar thing when they dictated that netbooks up to a certain size could not have more than this CPU and that amount of RAM to be eligible for receiving discounted OEM XP copies; it was called ULCPC or something like that. In that case they didn't set the minimum bar, but the maximum one. Which of course also produced tons of garbage since netbooks too slow or non upgradeable over 1 Gig RAM became hard to use with Linux too.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Your last paragraph goes against your original thesis. Whatever Microsoft did. It didn’t impact much at all. There was no migration. Netbooks aren’t even a thing any more outside Chromebooks. The point doesn’t stand since there won’t be some exodus of users switching to Linux. None of my friends or likey acquaintances who aren’t programmers or in related fields including a handful who sometimes or frequently keep up with general tech/gadget news, can tell you a Linux distro name. They likely can’t tell you what a distro is. I’m sure if I was to say Ubuntu they would say yes they have heard of it of are a bit familiar, but that’s the extent of it.

_-david-_ 5y ago

What laptop doesn't have a front webcam especially one that is at least 720p (I assume that is what is considered hd)? You can buy a $150 laptop and it likely would work.

dagw 5y ago
Some so called gaming laptops don't. The Asus G14 for example was a series of extremely popular and well reviewed laptops without a front webcam. They where even quite popular with developers since they offered class leading CPU and GPU performance in a relatively lightweight package.
- _-david-_ 5y ago
  Thanks. I didn't realize that. I assumed with the size of gaming laptops they would all have webcams.
  - dagw 5y ago
    Dell also at least used to offer some of their Latitude laptops without webcams, probably targeting people and industries working in situations where cameras in certain areas where forbidden.
dTal 5y ago
Virtually none of the recent crop of UMPCs have them. At that size, they just don't fit in the screen bezel. One model has a camera in the hinge, but most just don't bother.

skinnymuch 5y ago

This won’t do anything in the realm of millions of users. I’m not even sure what the lazy part is trying to say. What OS are these supposed people moving to? It’s not Linux. It’s likely not Mac as moving to that will be for other reasons, not this...especially when every MacBook and iMac has a front facing camera.