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> I wonder how long it will be until someone sets up the rest of the feedback loop and starts putting up github projects made of nothing but code from this tool

> I wonder how long it will be until someone sets up the rest of the feedback loop and starts putting up github projects made of nothing but code from this tool, and it can start to feed on itself. This is my actual hoped-for endgame for the ad based internet. At some point Twitter, FB, etc will be exclusively populated by bots that post ads, and bots that simulate engagement with those ads to drive up perceived value of advertising. They'll use AI to post comments that are really just ads or inflammatory keyword strings to drive further "engagement." The tech companies will rake in billions and billions of dollars in ad revenue, we'll tax all of it and use it to create flying cars, high speed rail, and an ad-free internet closed off to all non-humans. Occasionally a brave ML researcher may venture out into the "internet" to take field notes on the evolution of the adbot and spambot ecosystem.

jokethrowaway 5y ago
The most unlikely thing you mentioned is that we will be able to tax huge corporations.
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  You jest, but the parent is close to what I believe is a possible scenario - the one Nick Bostrom calls "a Disneyland with no children". No tax, no flying cars, eventually not even humans around - just AI-driven companies endlessly trading with each other, in a fully-automated, self-contained, circular economy, from which sentient beings were optimized away.
  - fileeditview 5y ago
    The whole thing sounds a bit like Autofac (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac)
nindalf 5y ago
I invite you to try automating this and let us know what happens. Try creating, let’s say 1000 accounts and try liking or posting and see what happens. I’ve seen that system at work and doubt you’d get very far. More than that, you misunderstand how advertisers prioritise their money. They pay for outcomes. If they notice that over the past couple of months they’ve been receiving mostly bot traffic, they stop advertising. Not everyone all at once, but enough that revenue begins to decline. An ad based business that cares about the long term will do it’s best to weed out the inauthentic engagement.
- swiftcoder 5y ago
  > More than that, you misunderstand how advertisers prioritise their money. They pay for outcomes. How they verify those outcomes, however, gets interesting. See, for example, College Humour going under due to inflated engagement metrics fed to them by Facebook video.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  > I invite you to try automating this and let us know what happens. Try creating, let’s say 1000 accounts and try liking or posting and see what happens. I’ve seen that system at work and doubt you’d get very far. Yes, naive attempts at manipulation will be detected these days on big platforms. 5+ years ago such naive attempts were successful, though. A few years ago I made a proof of concept to show how easy it is to make new Reddit accounts and automate them, and had registered hundreds of accounts. Those logins still work even though Reddit has cracked down on naive automation attempts. Today, that's why many firms buy real users' accounts. They'll hire people to manually login to the accounts and post. There's also the perpetual cat and mouse game between bot creators and platform owners, and the platform owners who benefit from the appearance of increased growth and engagement that's actually just bot activity.

jokethrowaway 5y ago

The most unlikely thing you mentioned is that we will be able to tax huge corporations.

TeMPOraL 5y ago
You jest, but the parent is close to what I believe is a possible scenario - the one Nick Bostrom calls "a Disneyland with no children". No tax, no flying cars, eventually not even humans around - just AI-driven companies endlessly trading with each other, in a fully-automated, self-contained, circular economy, from which sentient beings were optimized away.
- fileeditview 5y ago
  The whole thing sounds a bit like Autofac (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac)

nindalf 5y ago

I invite you to try automating this and let us know what happens. Try creating, let’s say 1000 accounts and try liking or posting and see what happens. I’ve seen that system at work and doubt you’d get very far. More than that, you misunderstand how advertisers prioritise their money. They pay for outcomes. If they notice that over the past couple of months they’ve been receiving mostly bot traffic, they stop advertising. Not everyone all at once, but enough that revenue begins to decline. An ad based business that cares about the long term will do it’s best to weed out the inauthentic engagement.

swiftcoder 5y ago
> More than that, you misunderstand how advertisers prioritise their money. They pay for outcomes. How they verify those outcomes, however, gets interesting. See, for example, College Humour going under due to inflated engagement metrics fed to them by Facebook video.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> I invite you to try automating this and let us know what happens. Try creating, let’s say 1000 accounts and try liking or posting and see what happens. I’ve seen that system at work and doubt you’d get very far. Yes, naive attempts at manipulation will be detected these days on big platforms. 5+ years ago such naive attempts were successful, though. A few years ago I made a proof of concept to show how easy it is to make new Reddit accounts and automate them, and had registered hundreds of accounts. Those logins still work even though Reddit has cracked down on naive automation attempts. Today, that's why many firms buy real users' accounts. They'll hire people to manually login to the accounts and post. There's also the perpetual cat and mouse game between bot creators and platform owners, and the platform owners who benefit from the appearance of increased growth and engagement that's actually just bot activity.