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Large events outside of New York have not had any such vaccine mandates, and have not led to any outbreaks. By the numbers, New York has handled the pandemic wo

Large events outside of New York have not had any such vaccine mandates, and have not led to any outbreaks. By the numbers, New York has handled the pandemic worse than any state in the US. I'm not sure we should be holding up any of the measures they've taken or are currently taking as any sort of holy grail.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
There is a clear cultural schism on this. When in Arizona, I went to a rodeo that wouldn’t dare check vaccination after a museum fundraiser that required it but didn’t verify. As someone who would like to go to both types of events, a single document would be helpful. If others prefer to constrain themselves, that’s fine. We are discussing privileges, not rights.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  I'm confused. You went from talking about events in NY that verify vaccination to events that do not. My point is that the draconian verifications that you talk about in NY have not been proven to increase safety in any meaningful way. If we're going to create two separate classes of people, one of which does not enjoy the same freedoms and abilities as the other, I think there needs to be actual data to back it up instead of it just "feeling like" it's the safer thing to do.
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- wait_a_minute 5y ago
  If those are privileges, stay home, wear a mask, and get vaccinated. But don't tell others what to do. It will never be tolerated as the law of the land to require that some document be furnished in order to participate in normal society. Unless you're talking about carding someone who wants to drink alcohol or etc, you are absolutely talking about a normal life and freedom and rights. Doesn't matter if someone dislikes it - it will never be the law of the land here. Basically everywhere I've been including deep blue cities are moving beyond this idea of needing "proof" of something for months now. What you're advocating for is creating two societies.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

There is a clear cultural schism on this. When in Arizona, I went to a rodeo that wouldn’t dare check vaccination after a museum fundraiser that required it but didn’t verify. As someone who would like to go to both types of events, a single document would be helpful. If others prefer to constrain themselves, that’s fine. We are discussing privileges, not rights.

jaywalk 5y ago
I'm confused. You went from talking about events in NY that verify vaccination to events that do not. My point is that the draconian verifications that you talk about in NY have not been proven to increase safety in any meaningful way. If we're going to create two separate classes of people, one of which does not enjoy the same freedoms and abilities as the other, I think there needs to be actual data to back it up instead of it just "feeling like" it's the safer thing to do.
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wait_a_minute 5y ago
If those are privileges, stay home, wear a mask, and get vaccinated. But don't tell others what to do. It will never be tolerated as the law of the land to require that some document be furnished in order to participate in normal society. Unless you're talking about carding someone who wants to drink alcohol or etc, you are absolutely talking about a normal life and freedom and rights. Doesn't matter if someone dislikes it - it will never be the law of the land here. Basically everywhere I've been including deep blue cities are moving beyond this idea of needing "proof" of something for months now. What you're advocating for is creating two societies.