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Could you apply this same argument to taxes/SSNs, drivers licenses[+], and other existing centralized systems in the US? +: Let's be honest, driver's licenses

Could you apply this same argument to taxes/SSNs, drivers licenses[+], and other existing centralized systems in the US? +: Let's be honest, driver's licenses are practically required and you attract extra scrutiny if you don't have one.

wonderwonder 5y ago
None of these violate your bodily autonomy.
- baq 5y ago
  can i sue you if i catch covid from you for violating my autonomy? only half joking.
  - wonderwonder 5y ago
    You can try, but to succeed you would essentially have to prove that it came from me and that I all but intentionally infected you. Negligence would require that my actions are not the actions of a prudent person. With 50% of the population not being vaccinated it may be hard to prove what a prudent person would do. I'm vaccinated and would encourage others to get vaccinated but I am very much against forcing it on anyone.
    - baq 5y ago
      i imagine perspective of being sued for spreading it would be a good motivation to get vaccinated.
- Steltek 5y ago
  Nor does a vaccine passport? It only prevents you from lying about a major public health threat.
  - wonderwonder 5y ago
    it really doesn't do that, its intent is to prevent freedom of travel to the unvaccinated. Most people I know that are not vaccinated are very open about it and they can be; as there are currently very few if any prohibition on where they can go. The purpose of the vaccine passport is to end that freedom.
reedjosh 5y ago
> Could you apply this same argument to taxes/SSNs, drivers licenses[+], and other existing centralized systems in the US? Sure, but at least driver's licenses are about public spaces. I can drive on private property all I want without a license. As for the other systems, I personally don't much believe those are okay either, but that's a much deeper argument than this. We've been losing our rights since the income tax and probably prior. I just want us to stop losing them at a minimum, but asking for that is viewed as some kind of major indiscretion.

wonderwonder 5y ago

None of these violate your bodily autonomy.

baq 5y ago
can i sue you if i catch covid from you for violating my autonomy? only half joking.
- wonderwonder 5y ago
  You can try, but to succeed you would essentially have to prove that it came from me and that I all but intentionally infected you. Negligence would require that my actions are not the actions of a prudent person. With 50% of the population not being vaccinated it may be hard to prove what a prudent person would do. I'm vaccinated and would encourage others to get vaccinated but I am very much against forcing it on anyone.
  - baq 5y ago
    i imagine perspective of being sued for spreading it would be a good motivation to get vaccinated.
Steltek 5y ago
Nor does a vaccine passport? It only prevents you from lying about a major public health threat.
- wonderwonder 5y ago
  it really doesn't do that, its intent is to prevent freedom of travel to the unvaccinated. Most people I know that are not vaccinated are very open about it and they can be; as there are currently very few if any prohibition on where they can go. The purpose of the vaccine passport is to end that freedom.

reedjosh 5y ago

> Could you apply this same argument to taxes/SSNs, drivers licenses[+], and other existing centralized systems in the US? Sure, but at least driver's licenses are about public spaces. I can drive on private property all I want without a license. As for the other systems, I personally don't much believe those are okay either, but that's a much deeper argument than this. We've been losing our rights since the income tax and probably prior. I just want us to stop losing them at a minimum, but asking for that is viewed as some kind of major indiscretion.