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There should not and will not be a centralized way to document any such thing in the USA, and we will not in the USA tolerate the idea of keeping "certain space

There should not and will not be a centralized way to document any such thing in the USA, and we will not in the USA tolerate the idea of keeping "certain spaces for the vaccinated only" unless you're referring to hospitals only. We will not restrict entry into normalcy on the basis of status, be it vaccination or antibody status. Florida and other states have been open for a long time and the numbers have been consistently improving same as anywhere else, without any need for documentation or such mandates lol.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> we will not in the USA tolerate the idea of keeping "certain spaces for the vaccinated only" unless you're referring to hospitals only This is a regional thing. Most large events in New York have been mandating and verifying vaccination. Most major offices are tracking vaccination status--you're not barred, but you need to wear a mask if you aren't. (Though some are refusing the unvaccinated.) In dense, urban environments this is sort of necessary. In Jackson, Wyoming it's not.
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- wait_a_minute 5y ago
  Sounds like New York will continue to lose population and significant tax revenue, then, by giving in to totalitarian ideas.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  Large events outside of New York have not had any such vaccine mandates, and have not led to any outbreaks. By the numbers, New York has handled the pandemic worse than any state in the US. I'm not sure we should be holding up any of the measures they've taken or are currently taking as any sort of holy grail.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    There is a clear cultural schism on this. When in Arizona, I went to a rodeo that wouldn’t dare check vaccination after a museum fundraiser that required it but didn’t verify. As someone who would like to go to both types of events, a single document would be helpful. If others prefer to constrain themselves, that’s fine. We are discussing privileges, not rights.
    - jaywalk 5y ago
      I'm confused. You went from talking about events in NY that verify vaccination to events that do not. My point is that the draconian verifications that you talk about in NY have not been proven to increase safety in any meaningful way. If we're going to create two separate classes of people, one of which does not enjoy the same freedoms and abilities as the other, I think there needs to be actual data to back it up instead of it just "feeling like" it's the safer thing to do.
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    - wait_a_minute 5y ago
      If those are privileges, stay home, wear a mask, and get vaccinated. But don't tell others what to do. It will never be tolerated as the law of the land to require that some document be furnished in order to participate in normal society. Unless you're talking about carding someone who wants to drink alcohol or etc, you are absolutely talking about a normal life and freedom and rights. Doesn't matter if someone dislikes it - it will never be the law of the land here. Basically everywhere I've been including deep blue cities are moving beyond this idea of needing "proof" of something for months now. What you're advocating for is creating two societies.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> we will not in the USA tolerate the idea of keeping "certain spaces for the vaccinated only" unless you're referring to hospitals only This is a regional thing. Most large events in New York have been mandating and verifying vaccination. Most major offices are tracking vaccination status--you're not barred, but you need to wear a mask if you aren't. (Though some are refusing the unvaccinated.) In dense, urban environments this is sort of necessary. In Jackson, Wyoming it's not.

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wait_a_minute 5y ago
Sounds like New York will continue to lose population and significant tax revenue, then, by giving in to totalitarian ideas.
jaywalk 5y ago
Large events outside of New York have not had any such vaccine mandates, and have not led to any outbreaks. By the numbers, New York has handled the pandemic worse than any state in the US. I'm not sure we should be holding up any of the measures they've taken or are currently taking as any sort of holy grail.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  There is a clear cultural schism on this. When in Arizona, I went to a rodeo that wouldn’t dare check vaccination after a museum fundraiser that required it but didn’t verify. As someone who would like to go to both types of events, a single document would be helpful. If others prefer to constrain themselves, that’s fine. We are discussing privileges, not rights.
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    I'm confused. You went from talking about events in NY that verify vaccination to events that do not. My point is that the draconian verifications that you talk about in NY have not been proven to increase safety in any meaningful way. If we're going to create two separate classes of people, one of which does not enjoy the same freedoms and abilities as the other, I think there needs to be actual data to back it up instead of it just "feeling like" it's the safer thing to do.
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  - wait_a_minute 5y ago
    If those are privileges, stay home, wear a mask, and get vaccinated. But don't tell others what to do. It will never be tolerated as the law of the land to require that some document be furnished in order to participate in normal society. Unless you're talking about carding someone who wants to drink alcohol or etc, you are absolutely talking about a normal life and freedom and rights. Doesn't matter if someone dislikes it - it will never be the law of the land here. Basically everywhere I've been including deep blue cities are moving beyond this idea of needing "proof" of something for months now. What you're advocating for is creating two societies.