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> There are growing bodies of evidence that spike proteins travel throughout your body, don't stay isolated at the injection site, and can cause severe reaction

> There are growing bodies of evidence that spike proteins travel throughout your body, don't stay isolated at the injection site, and can cause severe reactions in some people Will you share citation(s) for the evidence you mention? I'm aware of the heart inflammation concerns, but as of yet, I have not seen this described as "the spike protein traveling throughout your body". > In other words, for "minor" illnesses like flu, it might not be a net benefit. The spike proteins exist only to provide immunity to this specific coronavirus. What are you suggesting re: illnesses like flu?

anonfornoreason 5y ago
As mentioned previously, we are in the early days of fully understanding the science behind these vaccines. There are many reasonable speculations that the mechanism of the CDC acknowledged cases of myocarditis and pericarditis from both the vaccine and the virus itself, are caused by spike proteins. The only way the vaccine can cause that is if those proteins aren't limited to the injection site. It's actually extraordinarily difficult to find reasonable discussions on this topic, since it seems people want to suppress any conversation that puts a potentially negative light on covid vaccinations, which pushes any reasonable discussion into the cesspool of conspiracy theorist dialogue. Here's a couple links: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.21.423721v1.full https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.21.423721v1.... https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-95587/v1_stamped.pdf https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-95587/v1_stamped.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8162819/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8162819/ Not hard to search and find reasonable studies in early stages. Once again, I have to give a disclaimer to avoid the brigade: I am optimistic about these vaccines for many things, but I would not be surprised if in 5 years we have a body of knowledge that refutes the "overall really safe" label. Still a super valuable medical tool, I mean no one would take chemo drugs if they didn't have cancer, but people take them because it's overall better than not taking them if you have a treatable version of cancer!

anonfornoreason 5y ago

As mentioned previously, we are in the early days of fully understanding the science behind these vaccines. There are many reasonable speculations that the mechanism of the CDC acknowledged cases of myocarditis and pericarditis from both the vaccine and the virus itself, are caused by spike proteins. The only way the vaccine can cause that is if those proteins aren't limited to the injection site. It's actually extraordinarily difficult to find reasonable discussions on this topic, since it seems people want to suppress any conversation that puts a potentially negative light on covid vaccinations, which pushes any reasonable discussion into the cesspool of conspiracy theorist dialogue. Here's a couple links: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.21.423721v1.full https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.21.423721v1.... https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-95587/v1_stamped.pdf https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-95587/v1_stamped.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8162819/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8162819/ Not hard to search and find reasonable studies in early stages. Once again, I have to give a disclaimer to avoid the brigade: I am optimistic about these vaccines for many things, but I would not be surprised if in 5 years we have a body of knowledge that refutes the "overall really safe" label. Still a super valuable medical tool, I mean no one would take chemo drugs if they didn't have cancer, but people take them because it's overall better than not taking them if you have a treatable version of cancer!