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Get Ready to Live With Covid's Hassles Forever

pelagicAustral 5y ago
Funny as I was just reading "Britain will learn to live with Covid after restrictions end on July 19, say ministers" from the UK Times. Source: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bullish-sajid-javid-is-confident-covid-restrictions-will-end-on-july-19-l90857rzn https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bullish-sajid-javid-is-co...
natch 5y ago
Ivermectin should be looked at more. It helps with long Covid as well as active and as a preventative measure (though I would not expect many people outside of medical workers to take a daily preventive dose of anything for a virus, still just interesting). It’s out of patent and there’s no almost money to be made providing it, so drug companies and organizations they have captured (WHO, CDC, NYT, YouTube, to name a few) are shutting down discussion of it. By “shutting down discussion” I mean for example literally deleting video of Senate testimony from a practicing ICU doctor (Pierre Kory) whose protocols have been widely adopted for Covid treatment. In a trial of ~1200 health care workers who were working closely with Covid patients, 800 who received prophylactic ivermectin had zero cases of Covid. Of the 350+ (the numbers did not add up to exactly 1200) workers who received a placebo, 57% of them did get Covid. That’s just a trial. There are also real world use results. There are many successful trials of it, but big pharma is promoting the (possibly valid) criticism that the studies are not randomized enough. I don’t know if this applies to all studies, but it’s a propaganda war, so I’d fully expect they’ll make it sound like it does. Another captured organization (sorry, forgot the name) claimed that they worried there might be publication bias in the studies, but this has been looked at and ruled out. In real life, it’s been used in several large countries to bring crises under control… on a nationwide basis in Mexico and more spotilly on a state by state basis in India (politics comes in and when something works, others with opposed interests work to suppress the good news and make noise to sow FUD… which is supposedly part of why the overwhelmingly positive Mexico results have not been huge in the news). It’s also been around for decades as an anti-parasite drug and is known to be safe in adults and children. And it has anti inflammatory effects that also help when used to fight an active Covid case. Worth some attention at least.
- sterlind 5y ago
  > In a trial of ~1200 health care workers who were working closely with Covid patients, 800 who received prophylactic ivermectin had zero cases of Covid. Of the 350+ (the numbers did not add up to exactly 1200) workers who received a placebo, 57% of them did get Covid. I cannot find this study. I've found other prophylaxis studies, but nothing of this size with such striking results. Please link.
  - natch 5y ago
    It was "carrageenan plus ivermectin" it looks like. My numbers were slightly off but here is an article which refers to the study: https://trialsitenews.com/argentinas-ivercar-ivermectin-carrageenan-study-shows-positive-results-targeting-covid-19/ https://trialsitenews.com/argentinas-ivercar-ivermectin-carr...
schwartzworld 5y ago
Every baby boomer I know is in full "pandemic is over" mode. Same with older millennials that don't have kids. The only people I know that seem to realize it's still going on are parents with young children. I have been saying all along that we will be dealing with covid forever. Maybe in the US it becomes an occasional hassle like the flu (more than a hassle if it kills you), but it's never going away. This last year was one of the worst for me. Working and being fulltime with small kids during the pandemic was really challenging. What's the rush to eat in restaurants and not wear masks?
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  > What's the rush to eat in restaurants and not wear masks? If you think "we will be dealing with covid forever," how much longer do you want to delay the return to normal?
  - schwartzworld 5y ago
    We literally just had to keep our kid home from a week because a daycare worker who chose not to get vaccinated got covid and then came to work at the daycare. She was asymptomatic and went on to infect her whole family. It's not just about personal choice. Vaccinations are rolling out but little kids still can't get them. Why would I want to rush back to "normal" when I know so many young people who can't get vaccinated?
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      > Why would I want to rush back to "normal" when I know so many young people who can't get vaccinated? Because they're at less risk from Covid than from influenza, and everyone else who wants it has been eligible for a vaccine for months now.

Funny as I was just reading "Britain will learn to live with Covid after restrictions end on July 19, say ministers" from the UK Times. Source: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bullish-sajid-javid-is-confident-covid-restrictions-will-end-on-july-19-l90857rzn https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bullish-sajid-javid-is-co...

natch 5y ago

Ivermectin should be looked at more. It helps with long Covid as well as active and as a preventative measure (though I would not expect many people outside of medical workers to take a daily preventive dose of anything for a virus, still just interesting). It’s out of patent and there’s no almost money to be made providing it, so drug companies and organizations they have captured (WHO, CDC, NYT, YouTube, to name a few) are shutting down discussion of it. By “shutting down discussion” I mean for example literally deleting video of Senate testimony from a practicing ICU doctor (Pierre Kory) whose protocols have been widely adopted for Covid treatment. In a trial of ~1200 health care workers who were working closely with Covid patients, 800 who received prophylactic ivermectin had zero cases of Covid. Of the 350+ (the numbers did not add up to exactly 1200) workers who received a placebo, 57% of them did get Covid. That’s just a trial. There are also real world use results. There are many successful trials of it, but big pharma is promoting the (possibly valid) criticism that the studies are not randomized enough. I don’t know if this applies to all studies, but it’s a propaganda war, so I’d fully expect they’ll make it sound like it does. Another captured organization (sorry, forgot the name) claimed that they worried there might be publication bias in the studies, but this has been looked at and ruled out. In real life, it’s been used in several large countries to bring crises under control… on a nationwide basis in Mexico and more spotilly on a state by state basis in India (politics comes in and when something works, others with opposed interests work to suppress the good news and make noise to sow FUD… which is supposedly part of why the overwhelmingly positive Mexico results have not been huge in the news). It’s also been around for decades as an anti-parasite drug and is known to be safe in adults and children. And it has anti inflammatory effects that also help when used to fight an active Covid case. Worth some attention at least.

sterlind 5y ago
> In a trial of ~1200 health care workers who were working closely with Covid patients, 800 who received prophylactic ivermectin had zero cases of Covid. Of the 350+ (the numbers did not add up to exactly 1200) workers who received a placebo, 57% of them did get Covid. I cannot find this study. I've found other prophylaxis studies, but nothing of this size with such striking results. Please link.
- natch 5y ago
  It was "carrageenan plus ivermectin" it looks like. My numbers were slightly off but here is an article which refers to the study: https://trialsitenews.com/argentinas-ivercar-ivermectin-carrageenan-study-shows-positive-results-targeting-covid-19/ https://trialsitenews.com/argentinas-ivercar-ivermectin-carr...

schwartzworld 5y ago

Every baby boomer I know is in full "pandemic is over" mode. Same with older millennials that don't have kids. The only people I know that seem to realize it's still going on are parents with young children. I have been saying all along that we will be dealing with covid forever. Maybe in the US it becomes an occasional hassle like the flu (more than a hassle if it kills you), but it's never going away. This last year was one of the worst for me. Working and being fulltime with small kids during the pandemic was really challenging. What's the rush to eat in restaurants and not wear masks?

AndrewBissell 5y ago
> What's the rush to eat in restaurants and not wear masks? If you think "we will be dealing with covid forever," how much longer do you want to delay the return to normal?
- schwartzworld 5y ago
  We literally just had to keep our kid home from a week because a daycare worker who chose not to get vaccinated got covid and then came to work at the daycare. She was asymptomatic and went on to infect her whole family. It's not just about personal choice. Vaccinations are rolling out but little kids still can't get them. Why would I want to rush back to "normal" when I know so many young people who can't get vaccinated?
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    > Why would I want to rush back to "normal" when I know so many young people who can't get vaccinated? Because they're at less risk from Covid than from influenza, and everyone else who wants it has been eligible for a vaccine for months now.