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I heard his name over the Evergreen thing but forgot it. I listened to the episode "Doing science in an emergency" [0]. It's terrible. Lots of circular logic

I heard his name over the Evergreen thing but forgot it. I listened to the episode "Doing science in an emergency" [0]. It's terrible. Lots of circular logic and self congratulation. It reminded me of reddit's "IAmVerySmart" sub. I don't think anyone should be banned (he hasn't been), but this isn't a hill for anyone to die on. He seems to have fallen into a weird rabbit-hole where he fails to admit any possibility of error on his own part. Ivermectin does seem to be a very poor candidate as a treatment for C19 [1]. People have been made very sick ODing on it. So maybe stop pushing it? [0] https://podyssey.fm/podcast/itunes1471581521-Bret-Weinstein-DarkHorse-Podcast https://podyssey.fm/podcast/itunes1471581521-Bret-Weinstein-... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_repurposing_research#Ivermectin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_repurposing_rese... Edit: the irony of being down voted by his supporters without anyone engaging is not lost on me.

ALittleLight 5y ago
I downvoted you because it seems like your comment is largely composed of empty insults ("it's terrible", "reminded me of reddit's 'IAmVerySmart' sub", "weird rabbit-hole"). You don't give any examples for the specific criticism you make (circular logic). You say he fails to admit any possibility of error whereas I know that he readily admits the possibility of error. There are also a few cases where your comment is misleading. You write that he isn't being banned, neglecting that his videos are being removed, his channel getting strikes, and his channel getting demonetized. YouTube is clearly censoring and suppressing his content and he is clearly on track to get banned. You say that some people have been made very sick ODing on Ivermectin, which is true, but only when they take massive amounts and is also true of the vast majority of drugs. Taking massive overdoses of anything is ill-advised. You write, again without explaining, that Ivermectin is a "very poor candidate as a treatment" - which is an odd claim to make given that Ivermectin is cheap, safe, and has at least some experimental data suggesting it may have uses. And, also, Ivermectin is being used in Latin America and India as a treatment currently. To sum that up as "a very poor candidate" strikes me as disingenuous. Hope this help clarifies why at least one person is downvoting you.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  >You don't give any examples for the specific criticism you make (circular logic) They linked to the Wikipedia page. Which appears to say that the effect found "in vitro" is unobtainable unless you take a massive OD. Useful drugs have an OD amount that is greater than the effective dose. https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/ Supposedly larger scale tests are being done, so we'll see.
  - ALittleLight 5y ago
    The idea is to take Ivermectin as a prophylactic. Weinstein is not suggesting taking a massive overdose of Ivermectin. He makes this clarification repeatedly.
    - LatteLazy 5y ago
      Fyi, Ivermectin only works at very high doses. Taking it at safe doses doesn't work at a prophylactic or anything else. It's overdose or nothing.
      - ALittleLight 5y ago
        This is exactly the subject under discussion. I don't think it's anywhere near as clear as you make it out to be. There is insufficient evidence at this point to say definitively how useful Ivermectin is or isn't.
        LatteLazy 5y ago
        Isn't this exactly the point? There are millions of substances that haven't been disproven to work in some niche way against some disease. No one should recommend them or claim there is a conspiracy against them when they recommend them and get laughed at, demonitised etc. Maybe low dose cyanide is the cure, but I won't recommend it till there IS evidence.
        5y ago

ALittleLight 5y ago

I downvoted you because it seems like your comment is largely composed of empty insults ("it's terrible", "reminded me of reddit's 'IAmVerySmart' sub", "weird rabbit-hole"). You don't give any examples for the specific criticism you make (circular logic). You say he fails to admit any possibility of error whereas I know that he readily admits the possibility of error. There are also a few cases where your comment is misleading. You write that he isn't being banned, neglecting that his videos are being removed, his channel getting strikes, and his channel getting demonetized. YouTube is clearly censoring and suppressing his content and he is clearly on track to get banned. You say that some people have been made very sick ODing on Ivermectin, which is true, but only when they take massive amounts and is also true of the vast majority of drugs. Taking massive overdoses of anything is ill-advised. You write, again without explaining, that Ivermectin is a "very poor candidate as a treatment" - which is an odd claim to make given that Ivermectin is cheap, safe, and has at least some experimental data suggesting it may have uses. And, also, Ivermectin is being used in Latin America and India as a treatment currently. To sum that up as "a very poor candidate" strikes me as disingenuous. Hope this help clarifies why at least one person is downvoting you.

perl4ever 5y ago
>You don't give any examples for the specific criticism you make (circular logic) They linked to the Wikipedia page. Which appears to say that the effect found "in vitro" is unobtainable unless you take a massive OD. Useful drugs have an OD amount that is greater than the effective dose. https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/ Supposedly larger scale tests are being done, so we'll see.
- ALittleLight 5y ago
  The idea is to take Ivermectin as a prophylactic. Weinstein is not suggesting taking a massive overdose of Ivermectin. He makes this clarification repeatedly.
  - LatteLazy 5y ago
    Fyi, Ivermectin only works at very high doses. Taking it at safe doses doesn't work at a prophylactic or anything else. It's overdose or nothing.
    - ALittleLight 5y ago
      This is exactly the subject under discussion. I don't think it's anywhere near as clear as you make it out to be. There is insufficient evidence at this point to say definitively how useful Ivermectin is or isn't.
      - LatteLazy 5y ago
        Isn't this exactly the point? There are millions of substances that haven't been disproven to work in some niche way against some disease. No one should recommend them or claim there is a conspiracy against them when they recommend them and get laughed at, demonitised etc. Maybe low dose cyanide is the cure, but I won't recommend it till there IS evidence.
        5y ago