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I agree with the general premise that the social situations are only very loosely analogous, but your argument against it is quite poor. >So that means every o
by araneae 15y ago
I agree with the general premise that the social situations are only very loosely analogous, but your argument against it is quite poor.
>So that means every other man, or one in three, is an alpha male? I have my doubts.
No, that is not a conclusion you can draw at all. Not every animal that reproduces is alpha, as you would have realized if you read the article.
So say the baboon group has 10 males and 10 females. 8 females reproduce. 2 males each have one offspring each, the beta has 4, the alpha gets 8. That's 40% of the males reproducing, half the number of females that reproduce.
Obviously humans are different, because we don't have a harem social structure; we're a lot more monogamous. But we do see high status males getting a disproportionate number of women.
>What happens, if you put 100 acknowledged alpha males from all over the country
If you take 100 alpha males and artificially create a new social group with all of them, what would happen is they would fight with each other and establish a new social hierarchy. You're acting as if there's some platonic version of the alpha male. The alpha male is just the dude that can kick the other dudes' butts in their current situation. Social hierarchies shift constantly.
- sp332 15y agoIs the "alpha" about the number of offspring, or the number of females "available"? You seem to be confusing the two in your example.
- araneae 15y agoI'm not sure what's confusing you. In my example I was using an example given above (80% of females reproducing, 40% of males reproducing, thus, twice as many females reproducing as males.) I only talked about the division of offspring among the males because that's what's relevant in this case; they denote the relative hierarchy. The division of offspring among females is not relevant since we are talking about males. It was just a toy example anyway to show how the math works out.
- jerf 15y agoAlpha is... about carefully defining your terms in advance, then using them. There are a number of relevant senses. Both of the examples you gave are relevant, as are discussions about how alphas behave and psychologically dominate others, and humans have interesting quirks not found in the animal world since we have such rich social lives, like being behaviorally "alpha" with one group of people, but not other groups.