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People who make arguments against debt are ignoring a great deal of historical information. A person, or a nation, can clearly spend money on stupid things, bu
by lkrubner 15y ago
People who make arguments against debt are ignoring a great deal of historical information. A person, or a nation, can clearly spend money on stupid things, but that doesn't mean that debt is bad. Many businesses take on debt to grow, or at least they seek a credit line to cushion themselves against variations in income.
The argument for debt goes like this: in the future "we" will be wealthier, so why don't we borrow against our future income to make the investments that will ensure that, in fact, in the future we will be wealthier.
"We" can refer to a person, business, or nation.
The careful and strategic use of debt has been used to build great empires. A quote:
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/debt_brief.php http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/debt_brief.php
"Chart 2 tells, in stark detail, the story of the British Empire. It was built on the National Debt. Throughout the 18th century the National Debt grew and grew, from nothing at the end of the 17th century to about 60 percent of GDP by the end of the War of Spanish Succession in 1715."
To win World War II, the USA drove up debt to 100% of GDP, a level much higher than what it faces today.
To finance business, an interesting difference has developed between the English speaking nations (I mean those who inherit their legal codes from English Common Law) and those nations of continental Europe. In the English speaking nations, it became common, by the 1800s, to finance growth by offering equity for sale at public auction. The continental nations developed along different lines -- banks played a larger role. In Germany, most firms operate with higher levels of debt that what would seem normal in English speaking nations.
To get an understanding of the importance of debt, and its history, I'd suggest you read Fernand Braudel:
http://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Commerce-Civilization-Capitalism-15Th-18th/dp/0520081153/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1310738832&sr=8-5 http://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Commerce-Civilization-Capitalis...
As he points out, debt and civilization tend to go hand in hand. Debt was illegal in many European nations during the Dark Ages. Nations in the Mideast and India all had flourishing markets in debt, and flourishing trade, while Europe was sunk in poverty. When Europe revived and began to expand again, it helped itself along with the revival of credit, and credit markets. By the time the 1600s came around, Amsterdam was able to offer the world the full range of modern financial instruments: put and short and forward contracts, options of every kind (save for the exotic derivatives of recent vintage).
There is no civilization without debt, no advanced commerce without debt, no growth without debt. The wheels of commerce are greased with credit.
- spydum 15y agoYes, debt makes sense when talking of investment. However, borrowing is a bad choice when you are just trying to pay operating expenses. This is the dilema: nations have shifted from borrowing for investment purposes, to borrowing to keep the lights on.
- seanalltogether 15y agoPrecisely! Taking out a loan to pay for college should be seen as a good thing. Taking out payday loans to cover living expenses should be seen as a bad thing.
- scythe 15y ago>"Throughout the 18th century the National Debt grew and grew, from nothing at the end of the 17th century to about 60 percent of GDP by the end of the War of Spanish Succession in 1715." That's a fifteen-year period, not throughout the 18th century, and for that entire period, England was at war. It's absolutely true: debts help win wars. This isn't surprising: war is one of those times when there's a good argument for borrowing against the future, because the alternative is annihilation. On the other hand, during most periods of peace, historically, debt as a percent of GDP has fallen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent... The thing is we don't have any more wars worth fighting. Maybe in twenty years the precarious situation of "the largest economy in the world is totalitarian [i.e. China]" will boil over, but that definitely isn't happening any time soon. These days, we just accrue debt for no reason, or to fight a war on nothing (drugs, terror, cancer, tobacco). Debt by country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Public_debt_percent_gdp_world_map.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Public_debt_percent_gdp_wo... Growth by country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_real_growth_rate_CIA_Factbook.PNG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_real_growth_rate_CIA_F... (I wanted to say something about this but I'm having trouble distinguishing between five identical shades of green)
- craftsman 15y agoThe Braudel book looks really fascinating. Is it understandable on its own, without having read volumes one and two?