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> remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway." I mean, he's got a point here. Surely if we actually wanted plane pas

> remove the requirement for seatbelts since "if it goes down, they're all dead anyway." I mean, he's got a point here. Surely if we actually wanted plane passengers to survive crashes they'd have something more substantial than lap belts? I'd have thought, as a simple laymen, facing the seats backwards would make any impact far more survivable than crouching in the insane way that the "safety pamphlet" suggests?

noduerme 5y ago
I mean, no one's said he was technically wrong about the crash situation. Although lap belts do occasionally stop people from fracturing their skulls on the ceiling of the plane or flying into the passenger beside them. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/ryanair-ceo-seat-belts-dont-matter-flna1c6959522 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/ryanair-ceo-seat-bel... I just want my corporate overlords to at least pretend not to have a wanton disregard for human life. Is that so much to ask? [edit] on the other hand, the best thing for the Spanish about having a standing section on Ryan Air flights would be the passengers would get their brawling out of the way before they make it to the pub.
norvvryo 5y ago
Airliner seatbelts primarily exist to restrain passengers during turbulence.
- XorNot 5y ago
  This is the correct answer. Lap belts are there because under unexpected conditions planes can and have[1] suddenly hit turbulence pockets where they plummet 10 or so meters in an instant. The effect is anyone unbuckled gets slammed into the ceiling. It's why if you're seated, it's recommended to be buckled in - the difference between one person slamming into the ceiling and 300 is pretty substantial. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7391144&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7391144&page=1
vvillena 5y ago
Consider that people survive in some crashes where the plane structure fails. There are no crashes where the plane looks fine, but people inside are dead. This means lap belts + bracing is actually a good approach. A more involved restrain means no bracing, which means more forces on the neck. It also means it's harder to get free, and quick evacuation is one of the main factors that save lives during an accident.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > A more involved restrain means no bracing, which means more forces on the neck. Did you miss the GPs bit about facing the seats backwards? Then the whole backrest becomes your restraint. (I mean, most airplane crashes are forwards, right -- they don't get rear-ended all that often?)

noduerme 5y ago

I mean, no one's said he was technically wrong about the crash situation. Although lap belts do occasionally stop people from fracturing their skulls on the ceiling of the plane or flying into the passenger beside them. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/ryanair-ceo-seat-belts-dont-matter-flna1c6959522 https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/ryanair-ceo-seat-bel... I just want my corporate overlords to at least pretend not to have a wanton disregard for human life. Is that so much to ask? [edit] on the other hand, the best thing for the Spanish about having a standing section on Ryan Air flights would be the passengers would get their brawling out of the way before they make it to the pub.

norvvryo 5y ago

Airliner seatbelts primarily exist to restrain passengers during turbulence.

XorNot 5y ago
This is the correct answer. Lap belts are there because under unexpected conditions planes can and have[1] suddenly hit turbulence pockets where they plummet 10 or so meters in an instant. The effect is anyone unbuckled gets slammed into the ceiling. It's why if you're seated, it's recommended to be buckled in - the difference between one person slamming into the ceiling and 300 is pretty substantial. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7391144&page=1 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=7391144&page=1

vvillena 5y ago

Consider that people survive in some crashes where the plane structure fails. There are no crashes where the plane looks fine, but people inside are dead. This means lap belts + bracing is actually a good approach. A more involved restrain means no bracing, which means more forces on the neck. It also means it's harder to get free, and quick evacuation is one of the main factors that save lives during an accident.

CRConrad 5y ago
> A more involved restrain means no bracing, which means more forces on the neck. Did you miss the GPs bit about facing the seats backwards? Then the whole backrest becomes your restraint. (I mean, most airplane crashes are forwards, right -- they don't get rear-ended all that often?)