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Even a moments reflection shown that’s not possible. Average wages in the US are rising at record rates at the moment, so clearly not all companies can be ditch

by simonh 5y ago

Even a moments reflection shown that’s not possible. Average wages in the US are rising at record rates at the moment, so clearly not all companies can be ditching experienced employees and hiring newbies. All those experienced workers seem to be getting jobs somewhere. Also there nothing automatic about managing key worker risks. Trust me on this. You seem to have some theoretical idealised image of a perfectly dystopian company and think that’s a universal truth. I’m not sure where you got this image from, I suspect it’s ideologically based, but reality is all over the map. Sure, companies look after their own best interests. Often those align very well with employees, but not always. You can have friends at work, and most people try to do the right thing, but the company is not your friend. It’s unreasonable to expect it to be.

coliveira 5y ago
Yes, companies are paying a lot but only because they need to attract new talent. The problem is with existing talent. To convince yourself, just look at the flip side. Why do you think workers are leaving companies at record rates? Because they're not valued where they are. If this was not the case, companies would pay to keep the talent they have.
- almost_usual 5y ago
  Workers are leaving because they don’t want to work anymore. COVID gave everyone more time to reflect on their life.
  - coliveira 5y ago
    Isn't this the same thing? Companies want to extract the last drop of life from they employees, and they don't think it makes sense anymore. If companies wanted to keep them, they would just let these employees work less (which is basically the same as paying more per worker).
    - simonh 5y ago
      Companies are just made up of people, so that's a very bitter view of huge swathes of our species. Is human society really just the vicious race to the moral low ground you describe? As a species we have our failings, for sure, but I believe that most people, most of the time and with the freedom to choose try to do the right thing as they see it, and that's as true of people who work for companies as for people who don't.

by simonh 5y ago

coliveira 5y ago

Yes, companies are paying a lot but only because they need to attract new talent. The problem is with existing talent. To convince yourself, just look at the flip side. Why do you think workers are leaving companies at record rates? Because they're not valued where they are. If this was not the case, companies would pay to keep the talent they have.

almost_usual 5y ago
Workers are leaving because they don’t want to work anymore. COVID gave everyone more time to reflect on their life.
- coliveira 5y ago
  Isn't this the same thing? Companies want to extract the last drop of life from they employees, and they don't think it makes sense anymore. If companies wanted to keep them, they would just let these employees work less (which is basically the same as paying more per worker).
  - simonh 5y ago
    Companies are just made up of people, so that's a very bitter view of huge swathes of our species. Is human society really just the vicious race to the moral low ground you describe? As a species we have our failings, for sure, but I believe that most people, most of the time and with the freedom to choose try to do the right thing as they see it, and that's as true of people who work for companies as for people who don't.