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if meth was legal and readily available, would you still have this issue? slap a big warning: causes death. Have programs in place to help people with addiction

if meth was legal and readily available, would you still have this issue? slap a big warning: causes death. Have programs in place to help people with addiction and let things work themselves out

edgyquant 5y ago
The thing is that there are programs in place right now for addiction but people who are hooked on meth don’t want that help. Maybe it’s because I grew up in Meth country and saw more than half of my childhood friends end up in prison or in the streets because they’re hooked on the stuff. Maybe it’s too close to home for me to be reasonable about this but I’ll never agree that meth or heroin should be decriminalized.
- rantwasp 5y ago
  that's your opinion and it's okay to have that opinion. My opinion is that the government should not tell me what I'm allowed to do with my body (or even worst arrest me for doing stuff to my body). If I literally want to kill myself it should be my choice - How ridiculous would it be if we arrested people that attempted suicide? It's at least as ridiculos trying to end up in prison for an addiction. Also, completely tangential. But poverty is the thing that really kills people (including driving them to seeking the thrills of hard drugs). I can almost guarantee that there is a correlation between income level/standard of living and meth zones.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    That's fine but that's not what the majority of us believe (that hard/extremely addictive and life destroying drugs should be banned) and you will just have to deal with that or find a libertarian paradise in some far off country. Pot isn't one of those drugs though, it's pretty harmless or at least no more destructive than alcohol.
    - rantwasp 5y ago
      we're getting philosophical here. but I believe that your freedom should be YOUR freedom. Does that mean you should do stupid things and ruin your life? Probably not. But this is not about doing stupid things. It's about having the option and the option not being constrained by arbitrary things (ie who gets to decide that A is good and B is bad, A is okay, B is life destroying) also, one thing to consider: It's mostly non-controversial that pot is harmless nowadays. The more you go back in time, the more pot was painted as wrecking your life, a gateway drug, etc. So a lot of what the effect of a drug are can (and is) hearsay + fear-mongering.
      - foxes 5y ago
        How is it not controversial? Most studies seem to suggest the effect is not known. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/ [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827335/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827335/ Definitely seems to suggest there are potentially harmful side effects.
        rantwasp 5y ago
        look at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/table/T1/?report=objectonly https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/table/T... those studies are basically jokes. ever take tylenol? the pain killer that is available OTC virtually everywhere? do you know what happens if you take double the max recommended dosage? liver failure. for something that's OTC. for all intents and purposes weed is harmless. In WA, most people that I know have tried weed and some of them are actually doing it on a regular basis. I have yet to hear of any [mental] health issues. If you do something all day everyday you are dealing with something else and the drug is a way of escapism.
        foxes 5y ago
        Again, the argument that because bad x exists and is allowed freely does not mean y should be allowed. You can not use transitive arguments for this. I would think that pain killer should also be restricted. Anecdotal small sample sizes are also not convincing either way, I do not think we should be so cavalier with allowing or disallowing.

if meth was legal and readily available, would you still have this issue? slap a big warning: causes death. Have programs in place to help people with addiction and let things work themselves out

edgyquant 5y ago

The thing is that there are programs in place right now for addiction but people who are hooked on meth don’t want that help. Maybe it’s because I grew up in Meth country and saw more than half of my childhood friends end up in prison or in the streets because they’re hooked on the stuff. Maybe it’s too close to home for me to be reasonable about this but I’ll never agree that meth or heroin should be decriminalized.

rantwasp 5y ago
that's your opinion and it's okay to have that opinion. My opinion is that the government should not tell me what I'm allowed to do with my body (or even worst arrest me for doing stuff to my body). If I literally want to kill myself it should be my choice - How ridiculous would it be if we arrested people that attempted suicide? It's at least as ridiculos trying to end up in prison for an addiction. Also, completely tangential. But poverty is the thing that really kills people (including driving them to seeking the thrills of hard drugs). I can almost guarantee that there is a correlation between income level/standard of living and meth zones.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  That's fine but that's not what the majority of us believe (that hard/extremely addictive and life destroying drugs should be banned) and you will just have to deal with that or find a libertarian paradise in some far off country. Pot isn't one of those drugs though, it's pretty harmless or at least no more destructive than alcohol.
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    we're getting philosophical here. but I believe that your freedom should be YOUR freedom. Does that mean you should do stupid things and ruin your life? Probably not. But this is not about doing stupid things. It's about having the option and the option not being constrained by arbitrary things (ie who gets to decide that A is good and B is bad, A is okay, B is life destroying) also, one thing to consider: It's mostly non-controversial that pot is harmless nowadays. The more you go back in time, the more pot was painted as wrecking your life, a gateway drug, etc. So a lot of what the effect of a drug are can (and is) hearsay + fear-mongering.
    - foxes 5y ago
      How is it not controversial? Most studies seem to suggest the effect is not known. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/ [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827335/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827335/ Definitely seems to suggest there are potentially harmful side effects.
      - rantwasp 5y ago
        look at: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/table/T1/?report=objectonly https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4337025/table/T... those studies are basically jokes. ever take tylenol? the pain killer that is available OTC virtually everywhere? do you know what happens if you take double the max recommended dosage? liver failure. for something that's OTC. for all intents and purposes weed is harmless. In WA, most people that I know have tried weed and some of them are actually doing it on a regular basis. I have yet to hear of any [mental] health issues. If you do something all day everyday you are dealing with something else and the drug is a way of escapism.
        foxes 5y ago
        Again, the argument that because bad x exists and is allowed freely does not mean y should be allowed. You can not use transitive arguments for this. I would think that pain killer should also be restricted. Anecdotal small sample sizes are also not convincing either way, I do not think we should be so cavalier with allowing or disallowing.