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since you brought up the supreme court I am going to assume you are in the US (correct me if I'm wrong). We in the US like to plaster freedom everywhere. And i

since you brought up the supreme court I am going to assume you are in the US (correct me if I'm wrong). We in the US like to plaster freedom everywhere. And it's FREEDOM this, FREEDOM that. But I'm sad to report most people don't understand what freedom means. Freedom means that you can do whatever the f you want, anything, as long as you don't impact other people. If I drink alcohol, smoke weed or do heroin or mushrooms, or like to bang my head against the wall - as long as it does not impact you you should not care about it. Period. That's true freedom. When it comes to legalizing or forming an opinion about something IMHO the question should be: is this going to impact me? If the answer is not I believe that be default we should not put any gates or laws or rules in place. I think the govn should step in only to regulate the quality of the product (ie: if you're gonna sell weed it better be weed, if you're gonna sell alcohol it better be alcohol etc) not to dictate what is okay to sell and what is not okay to sell.

selimthegrim 5y ago
It sure as hell impacts me when I am paying for the 10th dose of naloxone to be slammed into you in a row if you are a repeat ODer.
- rantwasp 5y ago
  Does it really impact you though? Is our medical system so well tuned that people receiving a procedure that literally saves their lives is inconvenient for you?
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    I come from Ohio, so it impacts me that my friends and their friends have lost loved ones to this epidemic (who had been administered naloxone more than once, no doubt). And I've donated to harm reduction programs in New Orleans that provide community administered naloxone and safe needle sites so don't get me twisted. That is not the same as a unionized state apparatus and the overhead involved.
    - rantwasp 5y ago
      Do you believe that is someone whats to kill themselves is their right to do it? Do you agree that people that need and want help should receive it? Where does your personal freedom and where does my personal freedom begin?
      - selimthegrim 5y ago
        When someone does the same thing 10 times like that they owe an explanation to the community whose resources are keeping them alive, even if in principle. I think it's hilarious that you're lecturing me about the value of human life above and totally miss what I said about community administered treatment.
- hellbannedguy 5y ago
  I'm not going to debate. I'm for decriminalization. That said, nalozone should be stocked in every pharmacy across America. Just like needles. Needles can be bought in CA. Hell--I would put it in emergency glass boxes all around SF, and most cities. (To anyone addicted, bupernorpine works pretty well. Most of you could get down to a very low dose of bupenorpine pretty quick. It really helped me. I was never a bad addict. I just started taking pain pill from a nurse friend. Well, kind of a friend. She meant well. I could have just told her no, but didn't.) In the nineties, a friend of mine called me up, and asked me what do you do with someone who is overdosed. I told him there was naxolone, but it's only available at the hospital. He called back while in transit. She died at the hospital. He was living next to CVS pharmacy. If it was available, she would still be here. She wasen't even a long term addict. It was her second time using.
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    IMHO you should debate people that cannot see part their own stupid short-sighted self-interest and tell them about the value of human life compared to their "inconveniences". just like you did here. You should totally debate an push hard on their BS
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      You clearly didn't read my other comment.
busymom0 5y ago
Unfortunately the hypocrisy you describe regarding "freedom" is not limited to the US. It's more of a "flawed human nature" thing. Most humans try to exert power and control over everything they don't like. I immigrated from India to Canada and plan on immigrating to US in the future. So I have experienced the ongoing failed "war on drugs" in India which has created a major overdose problem along with worsened the police/government corruption and thrown many people in prison. I have also seen the legalization of weed couple years ago in Canada. I agree with you about the "Freedom means that you can do whatever the f you want, anything, as long as you don't impact other people." and share the exact same opinion. That's the same standard I apply to everything else too - from gay marriage to freedom of speech. I don't care about what's happening in someone's bedroom or whom they are having sex with as long as it's consensual adults. That's also why I am free speech absolutist. I absolutely hate the smell of weed and have never touched any drugs. But I want it to be legal because I believe the federal government/police needs to stop wasting tax payer resources on shutting down fundamental liberties. Similarly I believe we need to learn to develop a thicker skin and ignore things if they offend us instead of censoring/banning them using governmental or trillion dollar corporations. Just like sunlight is the best disinfectant for free speech, same approach with drugs. Same approach to allowing euthanasia (and even suicide but that can get messy and impacts too many other people so maybe not). Let drugs be legal and prevent black markets and ensure "proper advertising" like we do in every other industry. Make sure regulations aren't getting in the way of the industry to the point where the government has to step in to subsidize them (Canada and California are having this problem).

selimthegrim 5y ago

It sure as hell impacts me when I am paying for the 10th dose of naloxone to be slammed into you in a row if you are a repeat ODer.

rantwasp 5y ago
Does it really impact you though? Is our medical system so well tuned that people receiving a procedure that literally saves their lives is inconvenient for you?
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  I come from Ohio, so it impacts me that my friends and their friends have lost loved ones to this epidemic (who had been administered naloxone more than once, no doubt). And I've donated to harm reduction programs in New Orleans that provide community administered naloxone and safe needle sites so don't get me twisted. That is not the same as a unionized state apparatus and the overhead involved.
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    Do you believe that is someone whats to kill themselves is their right to do it? Do you agree that people that need and want help should receive it? Where does your personal freedom and where does my personal freedom begin?
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      When someone does the same thing 10 times like that they owe an explanation to the community whose resources are keeping them alive, even if in principle. I think it's hilarious that you're lecturing me about the value of human life above and totally miss what I said about community administered treatment.
hellbannedguy 5y ago
I'm not going to debate. I'm for decriminalization. That said, nalozone should be stocked in every pharmacy across America. Just like needles. Needles can be bought in CA. Hell--I would put it in emergency glass boxes all around SF, and most cities. (To anyone addicted, bupernorpine works pretty well. Most of you could get down to a very low dose of bupenorpine pretty quick. It really helped me. I was never a bad addict. I just started taking pain pill from a nurse friend. Well, kind of a friend. She meant well. I could have just told her no, but didn't.) In the nineties, a friend of mine called me up, and asked me what do you do with someone who is overdosed. I told him there was naxolone, but it's only available at the hospital. He called back while in transit. She died at the hospital. He was living next to CVS pharmacy. If it was available, she would still be here. She wasen't even a long term addict. It was her second time using.
- rantwasp 5y ago
  IMHO you should debate people that cannot see part their own stupid short-sighted self-interest and tell them about the value of human life compared to their "inconveniences". just like you did here. You should totally debate an push hard on their BS
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    You clearly didn't read my other comment.

busymom0 5y ago

Unfortunately the hypocrisy you describe regarding "freedom" is not limited to the US. It's more of a "flawed human nature" thing. Most humans try to exert power and control over everything they don't like. I immigrated from India to Canada and plan on immigrating to US in the future. So I have experienced the ongoing failed "war on drugs" in India which has created a major overdose problem along with worsened the police/government corruption and thrown many people in prison. I have also seen the legalization of weed couple years ago in Canada. I agree with you about the "Freedom means that you can do whatever the f you want, anything, as long as you don't impact other people." and share the exact same opinion. That's the same standard I apply to everything else too - from gay marriage to freedom of speech. I don't care about what's happening in someone's bedroom or whom they are having sex with as long as it's consensual adults. That's also why I am free speech absolutist. I absolutely hate the smell of weed and have never touched any drugs. But I want it to be legal because I believe the federal government/police needs to stop wasting tax payer resources on shutting down fundamental liberties. Similarly I believe we need to learn to develop a thicker skin and ignore things if they offend us instead of censoring/banning them using governmental or trillion dollar corporations. Just like sunlight is the best disinfectant for free speech, same approach with drugs. Same approach to allowing euthanasia (and even suicide but that can get messy and impacts too many other people so maybe not). Let drugs be legal and prevent black markets and ensure "proper advertising" like we do in every other industry. Make sure regulations aren't getting in the way of the industry to the point where the government has to step in to subsidize them (Canada and California are having this problem).