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As someone who used to be against drug (including weed) legalization, I had my opinion changed completely by this article few years ago. I shared it with a few

As someone who used to be against drug (including weed) legalization, I had my opinion changed completely by this article few years ago. I shared it with a few of my right leaning friends and several of them also had their opinions changed: Legalize It All: How to win the war on drugs https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/ https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/ It's an excellent read which addresses both sides of the drug legalization debate, side effects of the legalization and how to prevent the bad side effects and presents similar actions in other countries. A significant majority of my conservative friends are also moving in this direction. Conservative leaning Justice Clarence Thomas today said federal laws against marijuana may no longer be necessary: "The federal government's current approach is a half-in, half-out regime that simultaneously tolerates and forbids local use of marijuana,” the conservative Supreme Court justice wrote. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/clarence-thomas-says-federal-laws-against-marijuana-may-no-longer-n1272524 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/clarence-thom... Now, I am for legalizing and pardoning (non-dealing/manufacturing) weed, cocaine and mushrooms. The only reason I am hesitant for heroine, meth and fentanyl is because if I remember right, heroine and meth get laced with fentanyl which is very easy to overdose on. But I am willing to be corrected if that's not the case. The last month's ban on menthol cigarettes and flavoured tobacco is a step backwards unfortunately. Considering menthols are preferred by 86% blacks and 46% hispanics, it will just create a new black market and put more of them in prison. With that said, I don't want everywhere to devolve into San Fransisco either where you see needles everywhere and addicts tweaked out everywhere. Most people who are against legalization aren't going to agree with it if they see things like how San Fran is turning out. So the legalization must be done correctly. If they are legalized and provided via stores which check ID, that would reduce the black market, reduce cartels across the border, reduce gangs, drug dealing and reduce the prison population which had played a major role in wreaking havoc on many families. It would also reduce policing gone wrong / corruption and have less "rebellious" kids doing it.

owlninja 5y ago
>Now, I am for legalizing and pardoning (non-dealing/manufacturing) weed, cocaine and mushrooms. The only reason I am hesitant for heroine, meth and fentanyl is because if I remember right, heroine and meth get laced with fentanyl which is very easy to overdose on. But I am willing to be corrected if that's not the case. The argument you usually hear back is that if those harder drugs were more regulated, there would be no accidental overdoses where the street drug has been cut or consists of unknown quantities, safer places to consume, no drug deals gone wrong, etc... I am still not sold on the solution there. I know other countries have some sort of program that gets pointed to, but I don't know enough to comment. I do only know that those drugs have absolutely wrecked the lives of people I knew. If they were legal they still seem to be so addictive that the user's life is 100% focused on getting high as often as possible. So maybe some regulation so that certain people can get those drugs but without risk of overdose? But isn't that what methadone is for? I am sort of rambling here as I try to form a better opinion - because if we just outlaw those certain, very-addictive drugs, a black market will always exist. But that is also something I would never want my family members to try on a whim.
- aardvarkr 5y ago
  I like your train of thought and understand the uncertainty that both avenues present. Personally I believe that healthy adults will mostly choose to avoid getting addicted to hard drugs as long as they’re aware of the consequences. To achieve a reduction in the harm that drugs have in society I feel that we need to do everything possible to reduce the number of new people getting addicted while also making it easy for people to receive treatment and bring them into a system designed to get them back to health. Problem is that doctors need to be educated on this as well. That means stopping doctors from pushing pain pills that get people addicted to pain meds in the first place (because who in their right mind would go straight to using heroine if they hadn’t started on prescription pills) and encouraging open discussion with youths that’s focused on education instead of pushing an agenda (admittedly this doesn’t seems possible) while also legalizing methods for people to access hard drugs in order to bring addicts in out of the cold so to speak and expose them to a medical system that encourages them to get their health back.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  If manufacturing is still illegal, you'll have unregulated products. Anything that is more restricted than alcohol to manufacture and sell will have a black market. If you want to get rid of overdoses caused by heroin cut with fentanyl, you have to let Johnson & Johnson make it and sell it at CVS and WalMart.
dunnevens 5y ago
Legal opiates wouldn't be laced with fentanyl. They'd be tightly regulated. And it would probably be packaged in ways that wouldn't require injection. That sort of packaging would probably be part of the regulations. No one wants needles lying around. If users know exactly how strong & how much they're taking then it should greatly reduce overdoses. Some will still happen but, as a society, we've decided a certain amount of alcohol overdoses are acceptable. Opiate overdoses would get similar consideration.
- busymom0 5y ago
  Agreed. As long as they strictly go after the black market, I am okay with legalizing all drugs including heroine. For weed, there shouldn't be any more money wasted imo. Isn't injection the more "quicker" way for heroine though?
  - dunnevens 5y ago
    It is. But people can adapt. Many people these days grind up their oxy and snort it. Probably not a healthy thing to do in many ways, but still safer than injections. And definitely better than having used needles lying around. Patches would also be a very viable option. My partner once received a fentanyl patch at the hospital for an injury. She later told me it was an instant trip to a very happy place, and she could understand why some would get addicted to it.
    - busymom0 5y ago
      Not sure about the snorting part but for injections, maybe this anecdotal experience might help. I have several friends who use performance enhancing steroids and they say injections are better than the orals because the orals have to go through the liver and kidney etc to get processed which ends up hurting those organs more than injections which directly get in the blood stream. Maybe something similar applies for recreational drugs too?
rantwasp 5y ago
since you brought up the supreme court I am going to assume you are in the US (correct me if I'm wrong). We in the US like to plaster freedom everywhere. And it's FREEDOM this, FREEDOM that. But I'm sad to report most people don't understand what freedom means. Freedom means that you can do whatever the f you want, anything, as long as you don't impact other people. If I drink alcohol, smoke weed or do heroin or mushrooms, or like to bang my head against the wall - as long as it does not impact you you should not care about it. Period. That's true freedom. When it comes to legalizing or forming an opinion about something IMHO the question should be: is this going to impact me? If the answer is not I believe that be default we should not put any gates or laws or rules in place. I think the govn should step in only to regulate the quality of the product (ie: if you're gonna sell weed it better be weed, if you're gonna sell alcohol it better be alcohol etc) not to dictate what is okay to sell and what is not okay to sell.
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  It sure as hell impacts me when I am paying for the 10th dose of naloxone to be slammed into you in a row if you are a repeat ODer.
  - rantwasp 5y ago
    Does it really impact you though? Is our medical system so well tuned that people receiving a procedure that literally saves their lives is inconvenient for you?
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      I come from Ohio, so it impacts me that my friends and their friends have lost loved ones to this epidemic (who had been administered naloxone more than once, no doubt). And I've donated to harm reduction programs in New Orleans that provide community administered naloxone and safe needle sites so don't get me twisted. That is not the same as a unionized state apparatus and the overhead involved.
      - 5y ago
stOneskull 5y ago
i'm very hesitant about legalization of heroin. i think there could be a time in my life, if i'm low or anxious, where i would go buy some. and then it'd be likely i'd get hooked for life. there would be many people like that. i think it should be prescription based if anything.
- aardvarkr 5y ago
  Yeah there’s no way hard drugs should ever be easy to access. Putting them behind a prescription that’s required to be administered in a controlled environment seems the obvious choice. Honestly it should be safe, legal, and rare
  - petre 5y ago
    There's still going to be a black market for prescription hard drugs then just like there is for prescription pills now.
  - claytoneast 5y ago
    This argument seems moot. I am not under the impression that it's difficult to go buy heroin or meth if you want some. Users seem to have no problem getting it.
- samatman 5y ago
  Legalization doesn't have to mean you can buy packets of heroin at a gas station. It can mean you have to go to a government-run outlet, and if it's your first time, someone is going to ask you some pointed questions about why you want to buy it, make it very clear to you that heroin addiction is a real risk and no fun, maybe offer some counseling services on the spot as an alternative, and if you're still determined to get some, you can fill out a form and get a card with your face on it to present next time. Note that this isn't the same thing as a prescription, where a doctor is gatekeeping access to the medicine / drug in question. It's an approach which acknowledges legal drugs as less harmful to users and society than the alternatives, and stresses harm reduction for everyone and ending addictive patterns for users who are able and willing.
aardvarkr 5y ago
I really like your post and only have this small point to add to it. > The only reason I am hesitant for heroine, meth and fentanyl is because if I remember right, heroine and meth get laced with fentanyl which is very easy to overdose on. But I am willing to be corrected if that's not the case. When you look at this through the lens of business it doesn’t really make sense. Drug dealing is a financially driven business and there’s not an incentive to cut drugs like heroin and meth with fentanyl. Both are HIGHLY addictive in their own and in the case of meth it’s actually really counterproductive. Neither drug needs assistance from fentanyl to become more addicting. But beyond this, fentanyl is pretty dang valuable by itself on the streets and hard to come by. Why cut heroine with something valuable when you can use baking soda or sugar? Honestly the whole “laced drugs” thing is a scare tactic that doesn’t pass the smell test in my eyes. I’m willing to change my opinion but it really doesn’t make sense to me.
- sybarita 5y ago
  What? Fentanyl is so so so much cheaper and 100% does get added to heroin all the time. It also gets added, to a lesser extent, to meth, coke, fake xanax pills, ketamine, etc. Especially in many places in the US, it's actually hard to find heroin without at least a trace of fentanyl. Fentanyl is synthesized in China or Mexico (with precursors from China) extremely cheaply and without the need to maintain large plantations. It can then be imported to the US much more easily than heroin (extremely potent by weight and doesn't smell as much) where it's then diluted/mixed with other drugs. This is easily provable, there's tons and tons and tons of evidence/documentation of all of this. I don't understand the original posters point either though, because providing addicts with clean drugs and access to treatment is the only real way to curb the current fentanyl epidemic.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    > I don't understand the original posters point either though, because providing addicts with clean drugs and access to treatment is the only real way to curb the current fentanyl epidemic. You are right about that. When I was referring to fentanyl laced heroine, I was talking about black markets. If it's legalized and the production is regulated, then that problem won't occur.
tayo42 5y ago
> With that said, I don't want everywhere to devolve into San Fransisco either where you see needles everywhere and addicts tweaked out everywhere. Most people who are against legalization aren't going to agree with it if they see things like how San Fran is turning out. So the legalization must be done correctly. Stop watching fox news. Only the small areas where homeless people congregate have those homeless problems. The rest of the city is normal. Every major city has sketchy areas filled with all sorts of problems.
- busymom0 5y ago
  I don't watch Fox News nor does this have anything to do with objective facts. I have left leaning friends there who run businesses and it's very well reported even by them.
  - tayo42 5y ago
    its not an objective fact to say sf is full of needles. and its not an objective fact to say homeless people are there because of heroine or drugs. your repeating right wing nonsense by saying things like that
    - busymom0 5y ago
      > your repeating right wing nonsense by saying things like that Please refrain from dismissing view points with ad hominem attacks "right wing nonsense". That doesn't further the discussion to anywhere productive and is equivalent to "she's a witch" from 1600s. You are not talking in objective facts. Ignoring the problem by yelling "La la la, I can't hear you!" and gaslighting people by claiming what they are seeing is not real and is some Fox talking point is not going to encourage those who are reluctant to make drugs legal to change their mind. There is a very serious problem with homelessness and needles/feces to the point where they literally have an app to report poop on the streets. Here's all left leaning sources: > 2018: Survey of Downtown San Francisco Reveals Trash on Every Block, 303 Piles of Feces and 100 Drug Needles https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/diseased-streets/166605/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/diseased-streets/16660... > NBC Bay Area Investigative Unit reported a 20m² 153-block downtown area it surveyed was littered with refuse. The team found discarded needles on 41 blocks and piles of feces on 96. In July, a major medical association canceled future events in the Golden Gate City because of its filthy streets. https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-needles-human-feces-1054010 https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-needles-human-feces-1... > 'It's raining needles': Drug crisis creates pollution threat in San Francisco, across US https://abc7news.com/needles-found-in-sf-left-on-streets-report-study-san-francisco/2226877/ https://abc7news.com/needles-found-in-sf-left-on-streets-rep... > EPA Issues Violation Notice To San Francisco Over Needles, Human Waste https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/02/epa-issues-violation-notice-to-san-francisco-over-needles-human-waste/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/02/epa-issues-viol... > Business Insider: San Francisco's dirtiest street has an outdoor drug market, discarded heroin needles, and piles of poop on the sidewalk. The block's homeless residents — including drug dealers, addicts, and the mentally ill — leave behind piles of feces and discarded needles. https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.businessinsider.com/san-franciscos-dirtiest-street-has-a-drug-market-and-piles-of-poop-2018-10 https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.businessinsider.co... > 'SnapCrap' app invites San Francisco residents to report poop on city streets https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SnapCrap-app-San-Francisco-poop-feces-dirty-street-13281837.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SnapCrap-app-San-Fran... Even this year's Academy Awards events had to clean up the homeless people before holding the event: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/homeless-ordered-out-of-la-s-union-station-ahead-of-academy-awards/ar-BB1g2Bon https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/homeless-ordered-out-of-la...

owlninja 5y ago

>Now, I am for legalizing and pardoning (non-dealing/manufacturing) weed, cocaine and mushrooms. The only reason I am hesitant for heroine, meth and fentanyl is because if I remember right, heroine and meth get laced with fentanyl which is very easy to overdose on. But I am willing to be corrected if that's not the case. The argument you usually hear back is that if those harder drugs were more regulated, there would be no accidental overdoses where the street drug has been cut or consists of unknown quantities, safer places to consume, no drug deals gone wrong, etc... I am still not sold on the solution there. I know other countries have some sort of program that gets pointed to, but I don't know enough to comment. I do only know that those drugs have absolutely wrecked the lives of people I knew. If they were legal they still seem to be so addictive that the user's life is 100% focused on getting high as often as possible. So maybe some regulation so that certain people can get those drugs but without risk of overdose? But isn't that what methadone is for? I am sort of rambling here as I try to form a better opinion - because if we just outlaw those certain, very-addictive drugs, a black market will always exist. But that is also something I would never want my family members to try on a whim.

aardvarkr 5y ago
I like your train of thought and understand the uncertainty that both avenues present. Personally I believe that healthy adults will mostly choose to avoid getting addicted to hard drugs as long as they’re aware of the consequences. To achieve a reduction in the harm that drugs have in society I feel that we need to do everything possible to reduce the number of new people getting addicted while also making it easy for people to receive treatment and bring them into a system designed to get them back to health. Problem is that doctors need to be educated on this as well. That means stopping doctors from pushing pain pills that get people addicted to pain meds in the first place (because who in their right mind would go straight to using heroine if they hadn’t started on prescription pills) and encouraging open discussion with youths that’s focused on education instead of pushing an agenda (admittedly this doesn’t seems possible) while also legalizing methods for people to access hard drugs in order to bring addicts in out of the cold so to speak and expose them to a medical system that encourages them to get their health back.
throwawayboise 5y ago
If manufacturing is still illegal, you'll have unregulated products. Anything that is more restricted than alcohol to manufacture and sell will have a black market. If you want to get rid of overdoses caused by heroin cut with fentanyl, you have to let Johnson & Johnson make it and sell it at CVS and WalMart.

dunnevens 5y ago

Legal opiates wouldn't be laced with fentanyl. They'd be tightly regulated. And it would probably be packaged in ways that wouldn't require injection. That sort of packaging would probably be part of the regulations. No one wants needles lying around. If users know exactly how strong & how much they're taking then it should greatly reduce overdoses. Some will still happen but, as a society, we've decided a certain amount of alcohol overdoses are acceptable. Opiate overdoses would get similar consideration.

busymom0 5y ago
Agreed. As long as they strictly go after the black market, I am okay with legalizing all drugs including heroine. For weed, there shouldn't be any more money wasted imo. Isn't injection the more "quicker" way for heroine though?
- dunnevens 5y ago
  It is. But people can adapt. Many people these days grind up their oxy and snort it. Probably not a healthy thing to do in many ways, but still safer than injections. And definitely better than having used needles lying around. Patches would also be a very viable option. My partner once received a fentanyl patch at the hospital for an injury. She later told me it was an instant trip to a very happy place, and she could understand why some would get addicted to it.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    Not sure about the snorting part but for injections, maybe this anecdotal experience might help. I have several friends who use performance enhancing steroids and they say injections are better than the orals because the orals have to go through the liver and kidney etc to get processed which ends up hurting those organs more than injections which directly get in the blood stream. Maybe something similar applies for recreational drugs too?

rantwasp 5y ago

since you brought up the supreme court I am going to assume you are in the US (correct me if I'm wrong). We in the US like to plaster freedom everywhere. And it's FREEDOM this, FREEDOM that. But I'm sad to report most people don't understand what freedom means. Freedom means that you can do whatever the f you want, anything, as long as you don't impact other people. If I drink alcohol, smoke weed or do heroin or mushrooms, or like to bang my head against the wall - as long as it does not impact you you should not care about it. Period. That's true freedom. When it comes to legalizing or forming an opinion about something IMHO the question should be: is this going to impact me? If the answer is not I believe that be default we should not put any gates or laws or rules in place. I think the govn should step in only to regulate the quality of the product (ie: if you're gonna sell weed it better be weed, if you're gonna sell alcohol it better be alcohol etc) not to dictate what is okay to sell and what is not okay to sell.

selimthegrim 5y ago
It sure as hell impacts me when I am paying for the 10th dose of naloxone to be slammed into you in a row if you are a repeat ODer.
- rantwasp 5y ago
  Does it really impact you though? Is our medical system so well tuned that people receiving a procedure that literally saves their lives is inconvenient for you?
  - selimthegrim 5y ago
    I come from Ohio, so it impacts me that my friends and their friends have lost loved ones to this epidemic (who had been administered naloxone more than once, no doubt). And I've donated to harm reduction programs in New Orleans that provide community administered naloxone and safe needle sites so don't get me twisted. That is not the same as a unionized state apparatus and the overhead involved.
    - 5y ago

stOneskull 5y ago

i'm very hesitant about legalization of heroin. i think there could be a time in my life, if i'm low or anxious, where i would go buy some. and then it'd be likely i'd get hooked for life. there would be many people like that. i think it should be prescription based if anything.

aardvarkr 5y ago
Yeah there’s no way hard drugs should ever be easy to access. Putting them behind a prescription that’s required to be administered in a controlled environment seems the obvious choice. Honestly it should be safe, legal, and rare
- petre 5y ago
  There's still going to be a black market for prescription hard drugs then just like there is for prescription pills now.
- claytoneast 5y ago
  This argument seems moot. I am not under the impression that it's difficult to go buy heroin or meth if you want some. Users seem to have no problem getting it.
samatman 5y ago
Legalization doesn't have to mean you can buy packets of heroin at a gas station. It can mean you have to go to a government-run outlet, and if it's your first time, someone is going to ask you some pointed questions about why you want to buy it, make it very clear to you that heroin addiction is a real risk and no fun, maybe offer some counseling services on the spot as an alternative, and if you're still determined to get some, you can fill out a form and get a card with your face on it to present next time. Note that this isn't the same thing as a prescription, where a doctor is gatekeeping access to the medicine / drug in question. It's an approach which acknowledges legal drugs as less harmful to users and society than the alternatives, and stresses harm reduction for everyone and ending addictive patterns for users who are able and willing.

aardvarkr 5y ago

I really like your post and only have this small point to add to it. > The only reason I am hesitant for heroine, meth and fentanyl is because if I remember right, heroine and meth get laced with fentanyl which is very easy to overdose on. But I am willing to be corrected if that's not the case. When you look at this through the lens of business it doesn’t really make sense. Drug dealing is a financially driven business and there’s not an incentive to cut drugs like heroin and meth with fentanyl. Both are HIGHLY addictive in their own and in the case of meth it’s actually really counterproductive. Neither drug needs assistance from fentanyl to become more addicting. But beyond this, fentanyl is pretty dang valuable by itself on the streets and hard to come by. Why cut heroine with something valuable when you can use baking soda or sugar? Honestly the whole “laced drugs” thing is a scare tactic that doesn’t pass the smell test in my eyes. I’m willing to change my opinion but it really doesn’t make sense to me.

sybarita 5y ago
What? Fentanyl is so so so much cheaper and 100% does get added to heroin all the time. It also gets added, to a lesser extent, to meth, coke, fake xanax pills, ketamine, etc. Especially in many places in the US, it's actually hard to find heroin without at least a trace of fentanyl. Fentanyl is synthesized in China or Mexico (with precursors from China) extremely cheaply and without the need to maintain large plantations. It can then be imported to the US much more easily than heroin (extremely potent by weight and doesn't smell as much) where it's then diluted/mixed with other drugs. This is easily provable, there's tons and tons and tons of evidence/documentation of all of this. I don't understand the original posters point either though, because providing addicts with clean drugs and access to treatment is the only real way to curb the current fentanyl epidemic.
- busymom0 5y ago
  > I don't understand the original posters point either though, because providing addicts with clean drugs and access to treatment is the only real way to curb the current fentanyl epidemic. You are right about that. When I was referring to fentanyl laced heroine, I was talking about black markets. If it's legalized and the production is regulated, then that problem won't occur.

tayo42 5y ago

> With that said, I don't want everywhere to devolve into San Fransisco either where you see needles everywhere and addicts tweaked out everywhere. Most people who are against legalization aren't going to agree with it if they see things like how San Fran is turning out. So the legalization must be done correctly. Stop watching fox news. Only the small areas where homeless people congregate have those homeless problems. The rest of the city is normal. Every major city has sketchy areas filled with all sorts of problems.

busymom0 5y ago
I don't watch Fox News nor does this have anything to do with objective facts. I have left leaning friends there who run businesses and it's very well reported even by them.
- tayo42 5y ago
  its not an objective fact to say sf is full of needles. and its not an objective fact to say homeless people are there because of heroine or drugs. your repeating right wing nonsense by saying things like that
  - busymom0 5y ago
    > your repeating right wing nonsense by saying things like that Please refrain from dismissing view points with ad hominem attacks "right wing nonsense". That doesn't further the discussion to anywhere productive and is equivalent to "she's a witch" from 1600s. You are not talking in objective facts. Ignoring the problem by yelling "La la la, I can't hear you!" and gaslighting people by claiming what they are seeing is not real and is some Fox talking point is not going to encourage those who are reluctant to make drugs legal to change their mind. There is a very serious problem with homelessness and needles/feces to the point where they literally have an app to report poop on the streets. Here's all left leaning sources: > 2018: Survey of Downtown San Francisco Reveals Trash on Every Block, 303 Piles of Feces and 100 Drug Needles https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/diseased-streets/166605/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/diseased-streets/16660... > NBC Bay Area Investigative Unit reported a 20m² 153-block downtown area it surveyed was littered with refuse. The team found discarded needles on 41 blocks and piles of feces on 96. In July, a major medical association canceled future events in the Golden Gate City because of its filthy streets. https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-needles-human-feces-1054010 https://www.newsweek.com/san-francisco-needles-human-feces-1... > 'It's raining needles': Drug crisis creates pollution threat in San Francisco, across US https://abc7news.com/needles-found-in-sf-left-on-streets-report-study-san-francisco/2226877/ https://abc7news.com/needles-found-in-sf-left-on-streets-rep... > EPA Issues Violation Notice To San Francisco Over Needles, Human Waste https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/02/epa-issues-violation-notice-to-san-francisco-over-needles-human-waste/ https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/02/epa-issues-viol... > Business Insider: San Francisco's dirtiest street has an outdoor drug market, discarded heroin needles, and piles of poop on the sidewalk. The block's homeless residents — including drug dealers, addicts, and the mentally ill — leave behind piles of feces and discarded needles. https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.businessinsider.com/san-franciscos-dirtiest-street-has-a-drug-market-and-piles-of-poop-2018-10 https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.businessinsider.co... > 'SnapCrap' app invites San Francisco residents to report poop on city streets https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SnapCrap-app-San-Francisco-poop-feces-dirty-street-13281837.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SnapCrap-app-San-Fran... Even this year's Academy Awards events had to clean up the homeless people before holding the event: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/homeless-ordered-out-of-la-s-union-station-ahead-of-academy-awards/ar-BB1g2Bon https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/homeless-ordered-out-of-la...