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You could make a similar argument about playing loud music. Apartments, HOAs and similar communities are free to specify community rules, expectations and cons

by bhawks 5y ago

You could make a similar argument about playing loud music. Apartments, HOAs and similar communities are free to specify community rules, expectations and consequences in a contract/lease. When a party breaks those conditions then allow the community to enforce the contractual remedies. There is no reason to involve the state here to take away a person's life and liberty. Just allow people to interact (or not interact) voluntarily.

edgyquant 5y ago
Most places have sound restrictions though, not the building or community but as a city ordinance.
- bhawks 5y ago
  I've had the opportunity to live in 5 major metropolitan areas in 3 different regions of the US. Every apartment I've live in has had multiple pages of community rules. Sound/noise always had building specific guidelines. Further calling police to handle a noise disturbance is a nuclear option. I'd hope people would have exhausted every other avenue before wasting the police's time on a noise problem.
easytiger 5y ago
Nope. Different countries have different rules. Invoking lease breach contracts in my country requires a high court judgement. That would take potentially years to achieve and a lot of money and multiple stakeholders involvement. Unfortunately keeping weed a criminal substance is the best option as police enforcement can be sought to counter anti social behaviour. Furthermore, noise is regulated by local authorities in my jurisdiction
- bhawks 5y ago
  I think we have to agree to disagree here. Taking away a person's property, freedom, or life for what they choose to ingest and preventing people from voluntarily entering into and being bound by contracts is antisocial by my personal values.
  - easytiger 5y ago
    If the person's actions cause lasting detriment to another person's peaceable enjoyment of their property then they are in breach of the basic fundamentals of private property ownership. So too bad

by bhawks 5y ago

edgyquant 5y ago

Most places have sound restrictions though, not the building or community but as a city ordinance.

bhawks 5y ago
I've had the opportunity to live in 5 major metropolitan areas in 3 different regions of the US. Every apartment I've live in has had multiple pages of community rules. Sound/noise always had building specific guidelines. Further calling police to handle a noise disturbance is a nuclear option. I'd hope people would have exhausted every other avenue before wasting the police's time on a noise problem.

easytiger 5y ago

Nope. Different countries have different rules. Invoking lease breach contracts in my country requires a high court judgement. That would take potentially years to achieve and a lot of money and multiple stakeholders involvement. Unfortunately keeping weed a criminal substance is the best option as police enforcement can be sought to counter anti social behaviour. Furthermore, noise is regulated by local authorities in my jurisdiction

bhawks 5y ago
I think we have to agree to disagree here. Taking away a person's property, freedom, or life for what they choose to ingest and preventing people from voluntarily entering into and being bound by contracts is antisocial by my personal values.
- easytiger 5y ago
  If the person's actions cause lasting detriment to another person's peaceable enjoyment of their property then they are in breach of the basic fundamentals of private property ownership. So too bad