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Would that then just be a proxy for not being a white male and present the same problems? I am not sure what this solves to prevent discrimination.

dheera 5y ago
It doesn't prevent discrimination, it just allows me to do what I want to do in the short term, e.g. raise funding for startups or get dream jobs or whatever. I mean if a VC hands me a term sheet or a hiring manager hands me a job and the ONLY thing I misrepresented is my face, I don't think they have any ethical grounds to retract their offer. Solving the discrimination problem is another matter, and will take years if not decades, my dreams cannot wait for that.
- batch12 5y ago
  Good luck to you. I am not convinced people would be more likely to give money or a job to someone when they have only seen an avatar, but what do I know.
  - dheera 5y ago
    They don't have to know it's an avatar. For most jobs if they make any decision based on how the candidate looks they are in the wrong. It's not any different from make-up, really, which is also hiding your real face, in a different way.
    - batch12 5y ago
      If you deceive someone by wearing a different face during an interview, I expect that you would not be hired. How do you prove you were the person interviewed?
      - dheera 5y ago
        There are plenty of ways to prove that, including stating a public key during the interview, interviewer signs it with their key, vice versa is done with the interviewer's key, and then the same is demonstrated in person with the same keys. Hell, how to do that can even be an interview question.
        NavinF 5y ago
        That's a terrible answer to the hypothetical interview question because your solution only works if the person that took the interview is not colluding with the person that wants the job. The interviewee could just email their private key to the job seeker. The key signing only protects against some very uncommon threats
- forgingahead 5y ago
  Sincerely, I'm sorry you feel that you haven't achieved certain things because of skin colour/accent/etc. However let me challenge that belief, only because if your assumption isn't true, that your lack of desired success is because of things outside of your control, then perhaps you won't make the adjustments potentially needed to actually achieve them. If your dreams truly cannot wait (as you said, and they shouldn't!), then imaginary AI solutions to not-catastrophic-not-life-ending barriers shouldn't be seen as anything relevant to your eventual success. None of us can control skin colour, accent, connected families, or other benefits that others may have. But we can outwork the privileged, and today's world, with just a computer and internet connectivity, gives us all much more options than previously imaginable. I do sincerely wish you great luck and success, but I really think you shouldn't get stuck on things you can't control, and devote all your energy to things you can.
  - dheera 5y ago
    Oh yes of course. I just think it would be a super cool technical project to actually make this work real time in a videoconference, and there would be lots of use cases for it. Eliminating survey biases during interview-style surveys is another.

dheera 5y ago

It doesn't prevent discrimination, it just allows me to do what I want to do in the short term, e.g. raise funding for startups or get dream jobs or whatever. I mean if a VC hands me a term sheet or a hiring manager hands me a job and the ONLY thing I misrepresented is my face, I don't think they have any ethical grounds to retract their offer. Solving the discrimination problem is another matter, and will take years if not decades, my dreams cannot wait for that.

batch12 5y ago
Good luck to you. I am not convinced people would be more likely to give money or a job to someone when they have only seen an avatar, but what do I know.
- dheera 5y ago
  They don't have to know it's an avatar. For most jobs if they make any decision based on how the candidate looks they are in the wrong. It's not any different from make-up, really, which is also hiding your real face, in a different way.
  - batch12 5y ago
    If you deceive someone by wearing a different face during an interview, I expect that you would not be hired. How do you prove you were the person interviewed?
    - dheera 5y ago
      There are plenty of ways to prove that, including stating a public key during the interview, interviewer signs it with their key, vice versa is done with the interviewer's key, and then the same is demonstrated in person with the same keys. Hell, how to do that can even be an interview question.
      - NavinF 5y ago
        That's a terrible answer to the hypothetical interview question because your solution only works if the person that took the interview is not colluding with the person that wants the job. The interviewee could just email their private key to the job seeker. The key signing only protects against some very uncommon threats
forgingahead 5y ago
Sincerely, I'm sorry you feel that you haven't achieved certain things because of skin colour/accent/etc. However let me challenge that belief, only because if your assumption isn't true, that your lack of desired success is because of things outside of your control, then perhaps you won't make the adjustments potentially needed to actually achieve them. If your dreams truly cannot wait (as you said, and they shouldn't!), then imaginary AI solutions to not-catastrophic-not-life-ending barriers shouldn't be seen as anything relevant to your eventual success. None of us can control skin colour, accent, connected families, or other benefits that others may have. But we can outwork the privileged, and today's world, with just a computer and internet connectivity, gives us all much more options than previously imaginable. I do sincerely wish you great luck and success, but I really think you shouldn't get stuck on things you can't control, and devote all your energy to things you can.
- dheera 5y ago
  Oh yes of course. I just think it would be a super cool technical project to actually make this work real time in a videoconference, and there would be lots of use cases for it. Eliminating survey biases during interview-style surveys is another.