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I never thought I'd say it, but I was wrong. I thought Poulsen and Wired were being shady with the redactions, but they were absolutely right. It was just a b

I never thought I'd say it, but I was wrong. I thought Poulsen and Wired were being shady with the redactions, but they were absolutely right. It was just a bunch of chatter about his depression and identity issues that nobody needed to know about. I respect their decision to redact far more, now. Not sure why they're being released now, but I guess it doesn't really matter anymore.

andrewcooke 15y ago
i think they could have waited longer - i hadn't heard of the leaks, so i doubt they're very widespread (i mean, if i haven't, and i read places like hn, i'm sure my parents have no clue...). also, this makes lamo look even worse. turning in some poor kid like that.
- sanswork 15y ago
  How did you not hear about it? It is basically what made wikileaks front page news for months when it happened. Maybe you just didn't realize that was this?
  - andrewcooke 15y ago
    the leaks about manning's sexuality, etc. which is why this is now being released (unless i misunderstood the article).
    - Natsu 15y ago
      That was known a long time ago, actually. I remember people discussing it way back when this first came out.
defroost 15y ago
It absolutely was not "a bunch of chatter about his depression". It was much more. As small sample from the excellent piece by Glen Greenwald at Salon (1): MANNING: uhm, trying to keep a low profile for now though, just a warning LAMO: I'm a journalist and a minister. You can pick either, and treat this as a confession or an interview (never to be published) & enjoy a modicum of legal protection. It is clear from this passage that Lamo promised legal protection of a journalist-source or priest-penitent relationship. And it shows Poulsen's claim that the withheld chat logs were only insignificant ramblings related to Manning's mental state was simply not true. (1) http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/ http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/
- VonGuard 15y ago
  I dunno dood. The parts about manning coming to terms with being trans, coupled with his stories about his dad chasing him out of the house with a shotgun seem kinda personal to me. Greenwald's a douche. These logs are super personal, not super relevant. All this has taught us is that Lamo is a fucking asshole.
  - tankenmate 15y ago
    I don't think anyone with a modicum of ability to read between the lines needed these chat logs to form a reasonably accurate assessment of Lamo.
- rsingel 15y ago
  It doesn't matter one whit whether Lamo offered protection or not, except insofar as what you think of Lamo. The shield law doesn't require journalists to keep info private -- it simply allows a reporter to quash a subpoena from law enforcement coming knocking for the info. If indeed Manning had taken Lamo up on the offer, at best, Manning has a civil case against Lamo. And as for Lamo being a minister, that's a joke. Knowing Lamo he's got a minister certificate he bought for $25 just to say he has it. Furthermore, Manning didn't take him up on the offer and the chats certainly don't look like a minister and a worshipper talking. While it's clear Lamo is double-crossing Manning and trying to suck info out of him, this bit of the chat logs don't mean anything substantively. But folks like Greenwald need a nemesis, so any point to beat on Wired.com for reporting the story will work. Full disclosure: I work for Wired.com and Kevin Poulsen used to be my editor, and still occasionally is. I never saw the logs till they were pubbed and had no hand in the decision.
  - defroost 15y ago
    You wrote: "But folks like Greenwald need a nemesis, so any point to beat on Wired.com for reporting the story will work." Greenwald doesn't need to go far to find a "nemesis" in this case. And he is not "beating" on Wired for reporting the story, but for reporting only those portions that it deemed relevant. The fact is Poulsen, for whatever reason, was not truthful in his claim that the unreleased chat logs were only Manning's personal meanderings or that they would reveal national security secrets. Whether someone at the DOJ put pressure on Wired not to release the full chat logs, we will never know. But to say that the full logs are not relevant to Manning's defense or Assange's role in all of this, is absurd.

andrewcooke 15y ago

i think they could have waited longer - i hadn't heard of the leaks, so i doubt they're very widespread (i mean, if i haven't, and i read places like hn, i'm sure my parents have no clue...). also, this makes lamo look even worse. turning in some poor kid like that.

sanswork 15y ago
How did you not hear about it? It is basically what made wikileaks front page news for months when it happened. Maybe you just didn't realize that was this?
- andrewcooke 15y ago
  the leaks about manning's sexuality, etc. which is why this is now being released (unless i misunderstood the article).
  - Natsu 15y ago
    That was known a long time ago, actually. I remember people discussing it way back when this first came out.

defroost 15y ago

It absolutely was not "a bunch of chatter about his depression". It was much more. As small sample from the excellent piece by Glen Greenwald at Salon (1): MANNING: uhm, trying to keep a low profile for now though, just a warning LAMO: I'm a journalist and a minister. You can pick either, and treat this as a confession or an interview (never to be published) & enjoy a modicum of legal protection. It is clear from this passage that Lamo promised legal protection of a journalist-source or priest-penitent relationship. And it shows Poulsen's claim that the withheld chat logs were only insignificant ramblings related to Manning's mental state was simply not true. (1) http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/ http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

VonGuard 15y ago
I dunno dood. The parts about manning coming to terms with being trans, coupled with his stories about his dad chasing him out of the house with a shotgun seem kinda personal to me. Greenwald's a douche. These logs are super personal, not super relevant. All this has taught us is that Lamo is a fucking asshole.
- tankenmate 15y ago
  I don't think anyone with a modicum of ability to read between the lines needed these chat logs to form a reasonably accurate assessment of Lamo.
rsingel 15y ago
It doesn't matter one whit whether Lamo offered protection or not, except insofar as what you think of Lamo. The shield law doesn't require journalists to keep info private -- it simply allows a reporter to quash a subpoena from law enforcement coming knocking for the info. If indeed Manning had taken Lamo up on the offer, at best, Manning has a civil case against Lamo. And as for Lamo being a minister, that's a joke. Knowing Lamo he's got a minister certificate he bought for $25 just to say he has it. Furthermore, Manning didn't take him up on the offer and the chats certainly don't look like a minister and a worshipper talking. While it's clear Lamo is double-crossing Manning and trying to suck info out of him, this bit of the chat logs don't mean anything substantively. But folks like Greenwald need a nemesis, so any point to beat on Wired.com for reporting the story will work. Full disclosure: I work for Wired.com and Kevin Poulsen used to be my editor, and still occasionally is. I never saw the logs till they were pubbed and had no hand in the decision.
- defroost 15y ago
  You wrote: "But folks like Greenwald need a nemesis, so any point to beat on Wired.com for reporting the story will work." Greenwald doesn't need to go far to find a "nemesis" in this case. And he is not "beating" on Wired for reporting the story, but for reporting only those portions that it deemed relevant. The fact is Poulsen, for whatever reason, was not truthful in his claim that the unreleased chat logs were only Manning's personal meanderings or that they would reveal national security secrets. Whether someone at the DOJ put pressure on Wired not to release the full chat logs, we will never know. But to say that the full logs are not relevant to Manning's defense or Assange's role in all of this, is absurd.