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> After many years working at data brokers So you worked for years at (immoral) data harvesters but now you're a changed man who pinky swears to not use people

> After many years working at data brokers So you worked for years at (immoral) data harvesters but now you're a changed man who pinky swears to not use people's data they submit to you in a bad way? Sorry, I don't trust this product yet.

quickthrower2 5y ago
The only way I'd trust such a service is if it's domain name ends in .gov (or equivalent for other countries) and is free or a nominal fee.
- shrimpx 5y ago
  The USDS should work on stuff like this. https://www.usds.gov https://www.usds.gov
  - notJim 5y ago
    This feels like FTC territory. USDS is more about provisioning services AFAIK. However, new regulations would be required, and I don't really see that happening.
mssundaram 5y ago
I'd like to see beyondd (one of the co-founders on here) to address this
- beyondd 5y ago
  I responded to this question on this page under a different sub-thread
ipython 5y ago
I see this like a hacker who grows up and realizes that what they did before was wrong. People change. And the best people to address these issues head on- unfortunately- almost always started on the “wrong” side of the issue. Speaking from personal experience, you can reform yourself.
- TheFreim 5y ago
  >Speaking from personal experience, you can reform yourself. I 100% agree that people can reform themselves, but I also can just as easily see it not happening. Currently the product is "trust me" with little other than that as far as I can see. If they go the distance to make sure everything is fully transparent then I would be more neutral. But when my personal data is on the line I try to be a bit more skeptical.
  - ipython 5y ago
    I am a skeptic by nature but the amount of data they’re asking for is no more than what was already publicly available about me online. So my own personal risk assessment was low. As an FYI I requested my info dump from Verizon and they track all sorts of random data points - my estimated household income, hobbies, etc.! If they asked for ssn, mother’s maiden name, and my third grade teachers name upon signup, ok yeah I’d pass. But it was no more than a google of my name and city/state already returns from these data brokers. I find the skepticism here a little amusing considering the amount of data we share without even thinking about it - stuff that’s way more identifying and sensitive than your name and current city/state.

quickthrower2 5y ago

The only way I'd trust such a service is if it's domain name ends in .gov (or equivalent for other countries) and is free or a nominal fee.

shrimpx 5y ago
The USDS should work on stuff like this. https://www.usds.gov https://www.usds.gov
- notJim 5y ago
  This feels like FTC territory. USDS is more about provisioning services AFAIK. However, new regulations would be required, and I don't really see that happening.

mssundaram 5y ago

I'd like to see beyondd (one of the co-founders on here) to address this

beyondd 5y ago
I responded to this question on this page under a different sub-thread

ipython 5y ago

I see this like a hacker who grows up and realizes that what they did before was wrong. People change. And the best people to address these issues head on- unfortunately- almost always started on the “wrong” side of the issue. Speaking from personal experience, you can reform yourself.

TheFreim 5y ago
>Speaking from personal experience, you can reform yourself. I 100% agree that people can reform themselves, but I also can just as easily see it not happening. Currently the product is "trust me" with little other than that as far as I can see. If they go the distance to make sure everything is fully transparent then I would be more neutral. But when my personal data is on the line I try to be a bit more skeptical.
- ipython 5y ago
  I am a skeptic by nature but the amount of data they’re asking for is no more than what was already publicly available about me online. So my own personal risk assessment was low. As an FYI I requested my info dump from Verizon and they track all sorts of random data points - my estimated household income, hobbies, etc.! If they asked for ssn, mother’s maiden name, and my third grade teachers name upon signup, ok yeah I’d pass. But it was no more than a google of my name and city/state already returns from these data brokers. I find the skepticism here a little amusing considering the amount of data we share without even thinking about it - stuff that’s way more identifying and sensitive than your name and current city/state.