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Consent from the group being objectified. It is the same reason that a person who belongs to a specific minority group is usually given free reign to tell joke

by slg 5y ago

Consent from the group being objectified. It is the same reason that a person who belongs to a specific minority group is usually given free reign to tell jokes about that group while a person outside that minority isn't. It doesn't matter that the character in the joke isn't a real person.

dragontamer 5y ago
Its pretty clear that all the women whose breasts were measured for DOA's breast physics consented to these effecs. Consent certainly isn't the issue here. This is 100% a "Sexiness" issue. DOA is a "sexy" game, including breast physics and precise measurements of "bounciness" in skimpy costumes. The discussion the DOA community needs is about how such "sex appeal" is relatively niche, and is a "turnoff" to some gamers. DOA6, which was striving for esports / mainstream acceptance is finding itself between a rock and a hard place. DOA has a history of being "that sexy game", which people don't want to associate with in public. On the other hand, to make a change in the marketing is somewhat of a betrayal to the fans who have supported DOA over the past few decades. --------- The underlying issue gets ignored because of 'censorship' worries. A game that markets itself with this kind of sexiness front-and-center cannot really become mainstream. Its too perverted for people to want to associate with in public.
- slg 5y ago
  Not all consent is created equal. Consent from people who are at a power disparity is not the same as consent from people leading the project. The women having their breasts measured aren't exactly in a position to impact meaningful change on this video game franchise. It reminds me how Harvey Weinstein used to demand that women shoot nude scenes in his movies. Many women agreed to shoot those scenes in an attempt to help their career. That might technically be consent, but the power imbalance in the situation makes it at least partially coerced consent. I'm not saying the people developing DOA are monsters on the order of Weinstein, but the women who have their breast measured are in a similar compromised position.
  - readflaggedcomm 5y ago
    That sounds less coerced than bought. If so, the promised reward involved doesn't change what "consent" means, it only changes where breach of contract might occur.
    - slg 5y ago
      A large economic or power disparity between the two may mean that there is not much difference between "coerced" and "bought". It is just like someone running a sweatshop might be able to hire people for a couple dollars per day. The workers would be consenting to work at that price, but they are being coerced into it due to their own financial situation.

by slg 5y ago

dragontamer 5y ago

Its pretty clear that all the women whose breasts were measured for DOA's breast physics consented to these effecs. Consent certainly isn't the issue here. This is 100% a "Sexiness" issue. DOA is a "sexy" game, including breast physics and precise measurements of "bounciness" in skimpy costumes. The discussion the DOA community needs is about how such "sex appeal" is relatively niche, and is a "turnoff" to some gamers. DOA6, which was striving for esports / mainstream acceptance is finding itself between a rock and a hard place. DOA has a history of being "that sexy game", which people don't want to associate with in public. On the other hand, to make a change in the marketing is somewhat of a betrayal to the fans who have supported DOA over the past few decades. --------- The underlying issue gets ignored because of 'censorship' worries. A game that markets itself with this kind of sexiness front-and-center cannot really become mainstream. Its too perverted for people to want to associate with in public.

slg 5y ago
Not all consent is created equal. Consent from people who are at a power disparity is not the same as consent from people leading the project. The women having their breasts measured aren't exactly in a position to impact meaningful change on this video game franchise. It reminds me how Harvey Weinstein used to demand that women shoot nude scenes in his movies. Many women agreed to shoot those scenes in an attempt to help their career. That might technically be consent, but the power imbalance in the situation makes it at least partially coerced consent. I'm not saying the people developing DOA are monsters on the order of Weinstein, but the women who have their breast measured are in a similar compromised position.
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago
  That sounds less coerced than bought. If so, the promised reward involved doesn't change what "consent" means, it only changes where breach of contract might occur.
  - slg 5y ago
    A large economic or power disparity between the two may mean that there is not much difference between "coerced" and "bought". It is just like someone running a sweatshop might be able to hire people for a couple dollars per day. The workers would be consenting to work at that price, but they are being coerced into it due to their own financial situation.