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I think you're missing the fact that Windows does offer a lot on the home front. Games and stuff like HTPC are just better on Windows. Anyways they are competi

I think you're missing the fact that Windows does offer a lot on the home front. Games and stuff like HTPC are just better on Windows. Anyways they are competitors because people do switch between them. Currently I have a MacBook Pro, my next laptop absolutely will not be a MacBook Pro. It's the worst laptop I've ever owned.

EricE 5y ago
"Games and stuff like HTPC are just better on Windows." But for how much longer? My first foray into M1 Mac ownership has shown me that for all but the twitchy first person shooters, Apples entry level chip could easily end my reliance on a separate Windows desktop for gaming. If I wasn't overly addicted to assets and mods in Cities:Skylines and thus need at least 32GB of RAM to support my oversubscription habit I'd still be rocking an M1 Mac today. And Apple is just getting started. I was amazed at how many Windows only games I could get to work with either CodeWeavers commercialized and drop dead simple to use WINE implementation or the Windows ARM beta running on the Parallels beta. If Apples new SOC is able to woo more and more people like I think it will to run on Macs at some point developers will notice and the quantity and quality of Mac ports will improve and I may even not need Windows running on my Mac to run all the games I'm interested in. Most of the games I run today have Mac versions already (although that didn't factor into my buying decisions since as I mentioned I also have a Windows box). I look at this similar to the Blackberry before the iPhone. The year before the iPhone if you would have told me that it Apple was coming out with a phone that would utterly displace Blackberry within the next five years I would have laughed you out of the room - but that's exactly what happened. Nothing is guaranteed, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a significant shift away from Windows for quite a few segments of gaming.
- OldTimeCoffee 5y ago
  The GPU in the M1 is about as powerful as a nVidia 1650ti in laptop form. Unless they heavily prioritize GPU development or work with AMD/nVidia they'll never be a player in the game market due to serious lack of GPU power. Absolutely for many CPU bound loads the M1 is a great processor. It just lacks any GPU power which is what you need for games.
- anotherman554 5y ago
  Apple can't excel at games because powerful gaming hardware goes against their "thinness at all costs" philosophy. Your post reminds me of the person who said Microsoft Office was going to go out of business when Iwork web launched in 2015. I think any argument that goes "this reminds me of Iphone" is a poor argument.
handrous 5y ago
> I think you're missing the fact that Windows does offer a lot on the home front. Games and stuff like HTPC are just better on Windows. Well, yes, if you have any software that is must-have and it's only available for (or best on) one OS, that'll be what you choose. Incidentally, I'd not put Windows at the top of my list for HTPC. Probably 3rd or 4th under Linux and Android (if I didn't want to pay anything for the OS and wanted more of an appliance, or if I were using anything short of a quite beefy computer—Win10 is high overhead and uses tons of disk) and macOS (if I wanted a desktop experience on the TV and for most advanced media stuff to probably Just Work without having to mess with config files—old Mac Minis are great for this), unless I was also trying to PC-game on a TV.

EricE 5y ago

"Games and stuff like HTPC are just better on Windows." But for how much longer? My first foray into M1 Mac ownership has shown me that for all but the twitchy first person shooters, Apples entry level chip could easily end my reliance on a separate Windows desktop for gaming. If I wasn't overly addicted to assets and mods in Cities:Skylines and thus need at least 32GB of RAM to support my oversubscription habit I'd still be rocking an M1 Mac today. And Apple is just getting started. I was amazed at how many Windows only games I could get to work with either CodeWeavers commercialized and drop dead simple to use WINE implementation or the Windows ARM beta running on the Parallels beta. If Apples new SOC is able to woo more and more people like I think it will to run on Macs at some point developers will notice and the quantity and quality of Mac ports will improve and I may even not need Windows running on my Mac to run all the games I'm interested in. Most of the games I run today have Mac versions already (although that didn't factor into my buying decisions since as I mentioned I also have a Windows box). I look at this similar to the Blackberry before the iPhone. The year before the iPhone if you would have told me that it Apple was coming out with a phone that would utterly displace Blackberry within the next five years I would have laughed you out of the room - but that's exactly what happened. Nothing is guaranteed, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a significant shift away from Windows for quite a few segments of gaming.

OldTimeCoffee 5y ago
The GPU in the M1 is about as powerful as a nVidia 1650ti in laptop form. Unless they heavily prioritize GPU development or work with AMD/nVidia they'll never be a player in the game market due to serious lack of GPU power. Absolutely for many CPU bound loads the M1 is a great processor. It just lacks any GPU power which is what you need for games.
anotherman554 5y ago
Apple can't excel at games because powerful gaming hardware goes against their "thinness at all costs" philosophy. Your post reminds me of the person who said Microsoft Office was going to go out of business when Iwork web launched in 2015. I think any argument that goes "this reminds me of Iphone" is a poor argument.

handrous 5y ago

> I think you're missing the fact that Windows does offer a lot on the home front. Games and stuff like HTPC are just better on Windows. Well, yes, if you have any software that is must-have and it's only available for (or best on) one OS, that'll be what you choose. Incidentally, I'd not put Windows at the top of my list for HTPC. Probably 3rd or 4th under Linux and Android (if I didn't want to pay anything for the OS and wanted more of an appliance, or if I were using anything short of a quite beefy computer—Win10 is high overhead and uses tons of disk) and macOS (if I wanted a desktop experience on the TV and for most advanced media stuff to probably Just Work without having to mess with config files—old Mac Minis are great for this), unless I was also trying to PC-game on a TV.