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They did _almost_ everything in their power. They did not however, prevent you from downloading and installing netscape like Apple is currently doing with iOS.

They did _almost_ everything in their power. They did not however, prevent you from downloading and installing netscape like Apple is currently doing with iOS. I believe that was Nadella's main point, which I don't disagree with. While they did attempt to embrace, extend, extinguish, the platform was fundamentally not locked down which still allowed the web to take over.

jakeva 5y ago
> prevent you from downloading and installing netscape like Apple is currently doing with iOS. I don't know about netscape, but I currently use a browser other than Safari as my default browser. Unless you mean the underlying framework is WebKit?
- zargon 5y ago
  A distinction without a difference.
- 8note 5y ago
  Safari reskinned to look like Firefox is still safari in my opinion. Apple gets complete control over what a webpage can do, and chooses the features it supports to ensure the web cannot compete with the app store
  - vbezhenar 5y ago
    It's not Safari. It's worse than Safari, because it misses some API to match a proper Safari.
quanticle 5y ago
They did not however, prevent you from downloading and installing netscape like Apple is currently doing with iOS. They absolutely tried to, and were only stopped because the Justice Department told them that bundling IE with Windows was an illegal use of monopoly power. It's interesting that Nadella gives Microsoft credit for that and not Attorney General Janet Reno, under whose authority the Justice Department pursued the anti-trust case against Microsoft that led to browser bundling being declared anticompetitive.
- tootie 5y ago
  Bundling isn't the same thing. They proactively pushed IE on Windows users which was deemed anticompetitive, but they never prevented you from using Netscape or Firefox. And the only reason that decision was made then and is not applicable to iOS now is that Windows overall was so dominant as a desktop OS that it effectively owned the market. Apple can say that users who don't like Safari can just go buy an Android.
- babypuncher 5y ago
  Your memory might be faulty. They got in trouble for bundling Internet Explorer with Windows, but at no point did they ever make any attempt to make it so you could not install an alternative browser.
notriddle 5y ago
> embrace, extend, extinguish The funny thing about that phrase is that it was invented to describe Active Directory's relationship with LDAP and Kerberos. Active Directory is definitely one of Windows's killer applications, and rather than attempting to kill it, Microsoft instead makes a killing off of it.

jakeva 5y ago

> prevent you from downloading and installing netscape like Apple is currently doing with iOS. I don't know about netscape, but I currently use a browser other than Safari as my default browser. Unless you mean the underlying framework is WebKit?

zargon 5y ago
A distinction without a difference.
8note 5y ago
Safari reskinned to look like Firefox is still safari in my opinion. Apple gets complete control over what a webpage can do, and chooses the features it supports to ensure the web cannot compete with the app store
- vbezhenar 5y ago
  It's not Safari. It's worse than Safari, because it misses some API to match a proper Safari.

quanticle 5y ago

They did not however, prevent you from downloading and installing netscape like Apple is currently doing with iOS. They absolutely tried to, and were only stopped because the Justice Department told them that bundling IE with Windows was an illegal use of monopoly power. It's interesting that Nadella gives Microsoft credit for that and not Attorney General Janet Reno, under whose authority the Justice Department pursued the anti-trust case against Microsoft that led to browser bundling being declared anticompetitive.

tootie 5y ago
Bundling isn't the same thing. They proactively pushed IE on Windows users which was deemed anticompetitive, but they never prevented you from using Netscape or Firefox. And the only reason that decision was made then and is not applicable to iOS now is that Windows overall was so dominant as a desktop OS that it effectively owned the market. Apple can say that users who don't like Safari can just go buy an Android.
babypuncher 5y ago
Your memory might be faulty. They got in trouble for bundling Internet Explorer with Windows, but at no point did they ever make any attempt to make it so you could not install an alternative browser.

notriddle 5y ago

> embrace, extend, extinguish The funny thing about that phrase is that it was invented to describe Active Directory's relationship with LDAP and Kerberos. Active Directory is definitely one of Windows's killer applications, and rather than attempting to kill it, Microsoft instead makes a killing off of it.