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ECS is really just OOP with dynamic multiple inheritance: an object can inherit from multiple base "classes" (with "components" providing the data and "systems"

ECS is really just OOP with dynamic multiple inheritance: an object can inherit from multiple base "classes" (with "components" providing the data and "systems" providing the code) and this inheritance structure can be changed at runtime, by adding/removing components. Everything else (struct-of-arrays vs. array-of-structs) is just low-level implementation details. When I implemented a variation on ECS for a game I'm building, I did exactly as you suggest, re, message passing: components receive and respond to messages but their implementation is hidden.

klodolph 5y ago
Inheritance is one way of describing it but I don't think the term really fits. An object is composed of multiple components, and the composition can be changed at runtime. Saying that the object inherits from multiple base "classes" seems like it just makes the concept less clear. Some languages have class-based systems with inheritance: one class inherits from another, and methods implemented in the superclass can be used in the subclass. Some languages have prototype-based systems with inheritance: one object inherits from another, and methods implemented in the prototype can be used in the object. Component-based systems don't really fit my mental model of inheritance here.
ratww 5y ago
> ECS is really just OOP with dynamic multiple inheritance It's composition, not inheritance.
- professoretc 5y ago
  Technically, it's neither. Unless your programming language directly supports ECS, you're not going to be implementing the relationship between entities and components as either proper inheritance or a collection of data members, because neither of those can be changed dynamically.
  - ratww 5y ago
    No, "technically" and in all other regards, it's composition, plain and simple. There's nothing special about composition that it requires language support, or that it has to be static for it to be considered composition. You can implement dynamic composition in OOP simply by having a List of components, and that's how many games that don't use ECS did and still do. Composition has absolutely nothing to do with inheritance or with requiring static data members. Unlike you're claiming, the relationship between entities and components definitely does exist in ECS, just not in an OOP way, because ECS is not OOP (even though ECS can be implemented in any language).

klodolph 5y ago

Inheritance is one way of describing it but I don't think the term really fits. An object is composed of multiple components, and the composition can be changed at runtime. Saying that the object inherits from multiple base "classes" seems like it just makes the concept less clear. Some languages have class-based systems with inheritance: one class inherits from another, and methods implemented in the superclass can be used in the subclass. Some languages have prototype-based systems with inheritance: one object inherits from another, and methods implemented in the prototype can be used in the object. Component-based systems don't really fit my mental model of inheritance here.

ratww 5y ago

> ECS is really just OOP with dynamic multiple inheritance It's composition, not inheritance.

professoretc 5y ago
Technically, it's neither. Unless your programming language directly supports ECS, you're not going to be implementing the relationship between entities and components as either proper inheritance or a collection of data members, because neither of those can be changed dynamically.
- ratww 5y ago
  No, "technically" and in all other regards, it's composition, plain and simple. There's nothing special about composition that it requires language support, or that it has to be static for it to be considered composition. You can implement dynamic composition in OOP simply by having a List of components, and that's how many games that don't use ECS did and still do. Composition has absolutely nothing to do with inheritance or with requiring static data members. Unlike you're claiming, the relationship between entities and components definitely does exist in ECS, just not in an OOP way, because ECS is not OOP (even though ECS can be implemented in any language).