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https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/deep-state-diplomat-lied-to-trump-about-syria-on-behalf-of-military-industrial-complex/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/1

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/deep-state-diplomat-lied-to-trump-about-syria-on-behalf-of-military-industrial-complex/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/13/deep-state-diplomat-lie... He was still lied to. Any decisions he made were based on lies. > Perhaps he should have hired better people, or perhaps he just didn't care The problem is the bureaucratic class.. ie those qualified to run these things all have similar views, regardless of party. Trump did not share those views yet still had to pick from them. The american people also don't have those views, or at least a large percentage of them don't. This myopic perspective amongst Al the bureaucratic class is what people call 'the deep state'. A president that wants to get rid of this ought to embrace the unitary theory of the us executive and start making decisions and managing the various departments himself. for example, if a president believe hi predecessor bribed a foreign country, he can simply ask the other country to investigate, and has whatever foreign policy levers he has to get compliance, like us aid. Unfortunately, when you do that, the ruling class doesn't like it and then they try to impeach you. I mean that's what happens when there's a single party running Washington DC, but most people don't see it.

joshuamorton 5y ago
> The problem is the bureaucratic class.. ie those qualified to run these things all have similar views, regardless of party This begs the question. > Unfortunately, when you do that, the ruling class doesn't like it and then they try to impeach you. This reads as unfounded conspiracy. Your thesis is that impeachment by republicans was both a real threat to trump, but still failed, as a threat to step in line? Why are they still clinging to him as head of party then?
- iammisc 5y ago
  > Why are they still clinging to him as head of party then? Where have you been? They're not. At least not the elected ones. Trump is broadly popular with the voters and with a select few republican office holders that you end up hearing about a lot because the gop voter base loves them. The establishment gop.. not so much. I mean the head of the RNC is Romney's niece . Do you think she really likes trump? Or Mitch McConnell, current highest ranking republican.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    I have no idea if any of them "really like" trump or not. I do think they're catering his support, which is what matters. Clearly he has power in the republican establishment, enough that all these powerful people you mention can't get rid of him. So either the establishment supports him, or he's more powerful than the establishment and they're forced to support him. Anything else and he'd be gone.
    - iammisc 5y ago
      > I do think they're catering his support, which is what matters. Clearly he has power in the republican establishment, enough that all these powerful people you mention can't get rid of him. Because they want his endorsement to be voted into power. Look, if the GOP voters get their way and remove every so-called 'RINO', and install Trump supporters, I will agree that Trump has become establishment. But until then, it's obvious he wasn't. When he had both branches of government with Paul Ryan as speaker, he still couldn't get his agenda through. Both the GOP house and the dem house stopped his agenda in various different ways. Consider the border wall. This is incredibly popular amongst his base. The same base that voted Paul Ryan and his ilk into the house. And did they continue this agenda? No. They actively prevented it. Trump was -- his entire time in office -- a lone ranger. I don't see how this is even controversial. Contrast this with Bush, who did have periods of GOP dominance, in which he got everything he wanted pushed through (his wars...). Or look at Obama with Obamacare and the dem house.
      - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        The most frustrating thing about the Trump admin was the number of people on the left that didn’t realize he was fighting the GOP every single step. So much for “the enemy of my enemy”. This was obvious to me from Reince Priebus on. McConnell and Graham played their parts until they didn’t have to anymore. How do people seriously not see this?!
        joshuamorton 5y ago

joshuamorton 5y ago

> The problem is the bureaucratic class.. ie those qualified to run these things all have similar views, regardless of party This begs the question. > Unfortunately, when you do that, the ruling class doesn't like it and then they try to impeach you. This reads as unfounded conspiracy. Your thesis is that impeachment by republicans was both a real threat to trump, but still failed, as a threat to step in line? Why are they still clinging to him as head of party then?

iammisc 5y ago
> Why are they still clinging to him as head of party then? Where have you been? They're not. At least not the elected ones. Trump is broadly popular with the voters and with a select few republican office holders that you end up hearing about a lot because the gop voter base loves them. The establishment gop.. not so much. I mean the head of the RNC is Romney's niece . Do you think she really likes trump? Or Mitch McConnell, current highest ranking republican.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  I have no idea if any of them "really like" trump or not. I do think they're catering his support, which is what matters. Clearly he has power in the republican establishment, enough that all these powerful people you mention can't get rid of him. So either the establishment supports him, or he's more powerful than the establishment and they're forced to support him. Anything else and he'd be gone.
  - iammisc 5y ago
    > I do think they're catering his support, which is what matters. Clearly he has power in the republican establishment, enough that all these powerful people you mention can't get rid of him. Because they want his endorsement to be voted into power. Look, if the GOP voters get their way and remove every so-called 'RINO', and install Trump supporters, I will agree that Trump has become establishment. But until then, it's obvious he wasn't. When he had both branches of government with Paul Ryan as speaker, he still couldn't get his agenda through. Both the GOP house and the dem house stopped his agenda in various different ways. Consider the border wall. This is incredibly popular amongst his base. The same base that voted Paul Ryan and his ilk into the house. And did they continue this agenda? No. They actively prevented it. Trump was -- his entire time in office -- a lone ranger. I don't see how this is even controversial. Contrast this with Bush, who did have periods of GOP dominance, in which he got everything he wanted pushed through (his wars...). Or look at Obama with Obamacare and the dem house.
    - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
      The most frustrating thing about the Trump admin was the number of people on the left that didn’t realize he was fighting the GOP every single step. So much for “the enemy of my enemy”. This was obvious to me from Reince Priebus on. McConnell and Graham played their parts until they didn’t have to anymore. How do people seriously not see this?!
      - joshuamorton 5y ago