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This is the future the EU chose when they started imposing EU law on foreign internet companies.
by wyager 5y ago
This is the future the EU chose when they started imposing EU law on foreign internet companies.
- lwhi 5y agoNo. This the future foreign internet companies chose when they put profits above all else.
- elliekelly 5y agoForeign internet companies aren’t obligated to operate in the EU. If they don’t like the rules they can choose not to participate.
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- wyager 5y agoIf you choose to conflate “sending packets to the EU” with “operating in the EU”, you are choosing a future where the internet is siloed off and the web ceases to be a global network. I am not passing judgment - merely stating a fact.
- jakelazaroff 5y agoDo the restrictions govern how packets may be sent? Or do they deal with taxes, handling user information, etc?
- wyager 5y agoThe restrictions don't need to directly restrict how packets get sent - if they impose tax/regulatory costs for packets getting routed a certain way, the end result will be the same.
- jakelazaroff 5y agoThis is a bit like complaining about restrictions on "sending atoms to the EU" when they decide to impose tariffs or safety regulations on consumer goods. Businesses shouldn't get to flout regulations just because they happen to be digital.
- wyager 5y agoCool opinion. I’m not disagreeing with it. I don’t care. I’m just explaining that a logical entailment of your opinion is that the internet will be siloed off. Stop trying to convince me that your opinion is right. It’s totally irrelevant whether or not it’s right.
- bruce343434 5y agoIf you serve something in another country, you abide by their rules. Be it a physical product or a virtual one, which includes a website or webservice.
- nzmsv 5y agoThis is not, strictly speaking, an obvious forgone conclusion. Imagine that I call you over the phone, old school style, with voice. Would you or would you not want the governments on either end of the phone line to eavesdrop on our conversation so they can make sure it meets their local laws? What if we communicated by SMS? Email? Posting on a message board? Some people will have an "obviously yes, I want the government to be in charge, are you dumb?" reaction. Others will say "of course I want privacy, are you dumb?" Early Internet chose privacy. Modern internet is increasingly choosing regulation. But this is far from the obvious truth you are claiming it is, if only because the prevailing opinion changed in recent memory.
- Lio 5y agoActually I'd quite like it if my government could block foreign phone calls that attempt to spoof local numbers. If only as a way of stopping foreign criminal gangs from scamming the vulnerable. The main reason this can't happen is because of international agreements that were made long before the internet age or this type of crime became a thing.
- nzmsv 5y agoAnd there are others who, when faced with the trade-off, would choose differently. It's amusing how on another thread the general consensus may be a celebration of Let's Encrypt while over here I seem to come off as crazy (and thus deserving of downvotes simply for saying "not everyone agrees with you").
- bruce343434 5y agoYou are probably receiving downvotes because you're making a non sequitur. The web is, unlike phonelines, encrypted. At best it's a strawman or just a false equivalence.