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A quick google search told me that 12 US presidents where slave owners. So far I think none of their statues have been torn down because of the fact although sl

by growt 5y ago

A quick google search told me that 12 US presidents where slave owners. So far I think none of their statues have been torn down because of the fact although slavery is almost universally outlawed and condemned. For shorter term analogies I think something like gay-marriage fits. "Progressive" countries allow it, while the more "backwards" or religious countries fight it. I guess it will play out something like this (And you habe to factor in that in case of lab-meat it will probably more expensive at the start, so people and countries have to be able to afford their morals - or eat vegetables I guess).

gowld 5y ago
Andrew Jackson is being cancelle^Wremoved from the $20. It might not be a coincidence that he was targetted as being perhaps the most racist genocidal President. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_twenty-dollar_bill#Biden_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_twenty-dollar_bi...
- TecoAndJix 5y ago
  In reading up on this I had a good laugh when i discovered the URL for the "Bureau of Engraving and Printing" is https://www.moneyfactory.gov/ https://www.moneyfactory.gov/!
- InitialLastName 5y ago
  His (undoubted) role in the Trail of Tears aside, it's not at all clear why Andrew Jackson belongs on money anyway. As far as I've read, it's not even clear how the decision to put him on the $20 was made, except that one fan of his at the mint thought he should be. All that not to mention, it's ridiculous to be putting someone who didn't think the US should have a central bank on the US's money. Statues, money, and the like are how we communicate to the world and ourselves reminders of those whose lives we find worth emulating. As our morals change and we start to find things like slavery, forced death-marches and ethnic cleansing abhorrent, is it really wrong for us to update our imagery of whose lives we should emulate? At least to stop idolizing those people who were most notable for, or even raised arms in insurrection in support of, those acts?
  - erichocean 5y ago
    > it's not at all clear why Andrew Jackson belongs on money anyway He's the reason the Democratic Party exists, sure that's worth something…
    - InitialLastName 5y ago
      I'm hesitant to praise anyone who helped congeal us into the political duopoly we live under. It's also not clear to me that, its whole ~200 year lifespan considered, the Democratic Party has put its average in the green relative to historical atrocity (nor, for that matter, have the GOP).
jon_richards 5y ago
Woodrow Wilson’s name got removed from a Princeton college and they stressed it was because he was particularly abhorrent even for his time. Maybe the same will happen with meat. Veal, foie gras, shark fin, octopus, endangered animals, etc. Most of the blame will fall on producers, but “carnivorous” over eaters like Ron Swanson from parks and rec might age poorly. Whenever people bring up gay marriage legality, I think it’s also important to show this graph. https://xkcd.com/1431/ https://xkcd.com/1431/ Expect live meat to be overwhelmingly abhorred before you see a ban.
salt-thrower 5y ago
> So far I think none of their statues have been torn down because of the fact Even Abraham Lincoln's statue got torn down in Portland, OR last year. Not because he was a slaveowner but because he oversaw expulsion of Native Americans from their land and executed 36 Native prisoners. I would not assume that any president's statue is safe from public ire.

by growt 5y ago

gowld 5y ago

Andrew Jackson is being cancelle^Wremoved from the $20. It might not be a coincidence that he was targetted as being perhaps the most racist genocidal President. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_twenty-dollar_bill#Biden_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_twenty-dollar_bi...

TecoAndJix 5y ago
In reading up on this I had a good laugh when i discovered the URL for the "Bureau of Engraving and Printing" is https://www.moneyfactory.gov/ https://www.moneyfactory.gov/!
InitialLastName 5y ago
His (undoubted) role in the Trail of Tears aside, it's not at all clear why Andrew Jackson belongs on money anyway. As far as I've read, it's not even clear how the decision to put him on the $20 was made, except that one fan of his at the mint thought he should be. All that not to mention, it's ridiculous to be putting someone who didn't think the US should have a central bank on the US's money. Statues, money, and the like are how we communicate to the world and ourselves reminders of those whose lives we find worth emulating. As our morals change and we start to find things like slavery, forced death-marches and ethnic cleansing abhorrent, is it really wrong for us to update our imagery of whose lives we should emulate? At least to stop idolizing those people who were most notable for, or even raised arms in insurrection in support of, those acts?
- erichocean 5y ago
  > it's not at all clear why Andrew Jackson belongs on money anyway He's the reason the Democratic Party exists, sure that's worth something…
  - InitialLastName 5y ago
    I'm hesitant to praise anyone who helped congeal us into the political duopoly we live under. It's also not clear to me that, its whole ~200 year lifespan considered, the Democratic Party has put its average in the green relative to historical atrocity (nor, for that matter, have the GOP).

jon_richards 5y ago

Woodrow Wilson’s name got removed from a Princeton college and they stressed it was because he was particularly abhorrent even for his time. Maybe the same will happen with meat. Veal, foie gras, shark fin, octopus, endangered animals, etc. Most of the blame will fall on producers, but “carnivorous” over eaters like Ron Swanson from parks and rec might age poorly. Whenever people bring up gay marriage legality, I think it’s also important to show this graph. https://xkcd.com/1431/ https://xkcd.com/1431/ Expect live meat to be overwhelmingly abhorred before you see a ban.

salt-thrower 5y ago

> So far I think none of their statues have been torn down because of the fact Even Abraham Lincoln's statue got torn down in Portland, OR last year. Not because he was a slaveowner but because he oversaw expulsion of Native Americans from their land and executed 36 Native prisoners. I would not assume that any president's statue is safe from public ire.