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Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all?

by jahnu 5y ago

unity1001 5y ago
For the needed character assassination?
josephcsible 5y ago
Having convicted criminals for parents is almost certainly a contributing factor to why he's so pro-criminal.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all? I've seen Chesa speak once. He referenced his parents when telling his story and has lobbied for their early release [1]. We aren't defined by our parents. Their crimes aren't our own. But if a child defends his parents' crimes and advocates against their prosecution, it's fair to bring it up. [1] https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get-clemency-for-his-incarcerated-father/ https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get...
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  Chesa Boudin's connection to his imprisoned Weathermen parents and his appeal for clemency has been brought up on HN multiple times. But not once, not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release, as if that's not even relevant. From the article: "The move comes after a separate request for Gilbert's clemency last week, reported by the Chronicle, that was signed by 45 faith leaders, including Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s daughter, and Mohandas Gandhi's granddaugther. Also appealing to Gov. Cuomo since the prison in question is in his state, they wrote that "We see daily that elders in prison, especially those with compromised immune systems and underlying health concerns, are in grave danger and many have died. For us, like you and your father before you, opposition to the death penalty is a religious and moral principle."" "New York's Department of Corrections and Community Supervision data shows that in that state, there have been 3,400 coronavirus cases and 23 deaths in the prison system. Boudin told the Chronicle there are more than 100 cases at his father maximum security prison, Shawangunk Correctional Facility. ""I'm worried my father could die of COVID-19 in prison. He has always expressed great remorse for the victims and he has never tried to deny or minimize the role he played in a serious crime," he added, to SFGate. "There is no compelling reason for my father to remain incarcerated.""
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release It's literally in the subtitle of the article in the comment to which you're replying.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      But the actual HN comments don't mention that. They only ever mention that he wants them released, but never why. It's a fact that a lot of HN readers never actually click through to read the articles people post anyway, so most people go by the contents of the comments not the articles. I'd bet you anything that most people who read this thread didn't click through and read that article itself, which is why I quoted it. Now they damn well know what it says.
- tptacek 5y ago
  He's also literally said that his father has influenced how he performs his job as a DA. Boudin has done basically everything possible to make his parents relevant to voters.
shadilay 5y ago
He was raised by friends of his parents who were part of the same group.
eplanit 5y ago
Parents shape one's character (usually), where the offspring generally become similar to the parent, or in other cases the antithesis. In this instance, it seems the apple didn't fall far from the tree. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+far+from+the+tree https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+...
wayneftw 5y ago
How is discovering and discussing the backgrounds of people running things not relevant to an informal discussion of the current events? I was quite intrigued by this Wikipedia article below. > The Weather Underground was a radical left wing militant organization... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground I also had some fun researching how the CIA (I thought was probably) involved in all of this. Found some stuff on Wikispooks.com about Chesa Boudin and also this comment (and more) from [1]: > The whole Weather Underground was a project of Cointelpro-New-Left. The idea was to brand students as radical and violent marxists and put out propaganda about them to break up genuine student organizing in opposition to the Vietnam War. It’s a classic guilt-by-association strategy – by labeling progressive policies as “Crazy San Francisco” it causes a reactionary policy implementation almost everywhere else. Boudin is so obviously CIA as was Gascon and now we have yet another phony CIA culture war that gets everyone outraged, divided, and distracted. [1] https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blames-system-for-parolees-hit-and-run-killing-2-pedestrians/ https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blame...
merpnderp 5y ago
Dude, because he's defended their actions. Last year didn't he refuse to press charges against a guy snuck up behind two cops and fractured one's skull with a glass bottle and cut the other's face open, all caught on video? How many rapes has he refused to prosecute? And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes. His views on justice are incredibly twisted, likely starting with the pretzel he had to turn is brain into to justify his parents being murderers.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes." You're implying the reason cops are abusing their power is that they're overwhelmed? How about the sadistic, power tripping cops among them that actually murder people, assault or torture them, plant evidence, lie and frame people, etc... No, being overwhelmed (even if they are) doesn't remotely excuse any of that. "he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes" What crimes? If they're crimes of drug possession, in my eyes they should be let off because the War on Drugs is unjust, ineffective, and wrong.
  - merpnderp 5y ago
    No one said anything you think they said. What you are talking about is a completely different subject. If you actually paid attention to what is going on, this DA is saying the cops aren't bringing him enough cases to prosecute. The cops say they're arresting people with multiple outstanding violent offenses against them, so that they can't ever reduce the number of offenders because they keep getting let back out. Do you not give a shit about assaults, rapes, robberies and violent people being let out over and over? You one of crazy people who would rather just get rid of all the cops and enjoy some Wild West mob justice/lynchings? Cause humanity went without cops for far longer than it had cops, and we know exactly how that works out. Yes cops need reformed, but tell that to someone who's daughter was raped by a repeat felon, awaiting multiple trials, who some turd DA thinks restorative justice means license to rape.

Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all?

by jahnu 5y ago

Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all?

unity1001 5y ago

For the needed character assassination?

josephcsible 5y ago

Having convicted criminals for parents is almost certainly a contributing factor to why he's so pro-criminal.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all? I've seen Chesa speak once. He referenced his parents when telling his story and has lobbied for their early release [1]. We aren't defined by our parents. Their crimes aren't our own. But if a child defends his parents' crimes and advocates against their prosecution, it's fair to bring it up. [1] https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get-clemency-for-his-incarcerated-father/ https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get...

pmoriarty 5y ago
Chesa Boudin's connection to his imprisoned Weathermen parents and his appeal for clemency has been brought up on HN multiple times. But not once, not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release, as if that's not even relevant. From the article: "The move comes after a separate request for Gilbert's clemency last week, reported by the Chronicle, that was signed by 45 faith leaders, including Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s daughter, and Mohandas Gandhi's granddaugther. Also appealing to Gov. Cuomo since the prison in question is in his state, they wrote that "We see daily that elders in prison, especially those with compromised immune systems and underlying health concerns, are in grave danger and many have died. For us, like you and your father before you, opposition to the death penalty is a religious and moral principle."" "New York's Department of Corrections and Community Supervision data shows that in that state, there have been 3,400 coronavirus cases and 23 deaths in the prison system. Boudin told the Chronicle there are more than 100 cases at his father maximum security prison, Shawangunk Correctional Facility. ""I'm worried my father could die of COVID-19 in prison. He has always expressed great remorse for the victims and he has never tried to deny or minimize the role he played in a serious crime," he added, to SFGate. "There is no compelling reason for my father to remain incarcerated.""
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release It's literally in the subtitle of the article in the comment to which you're replying.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    But the actual HN comments don't mention that. They only ever mention that he wants them released, but never why. It's a fact that a lot of HN readers never actually click through to read the articles people post anyway, so most people go by the contents of the comments not the articles. I'd bet you anything that most people who read this thread didn't click through and read that article itself, which is why I quoted it. Now they damn well know what it says.
tptacek 5y ago
He's also literally said that his father has influenced how he performs his job as a DA. Boudin has done basically everything possible to make his parents relevant to voters.

shadilay 5y ago

He was raised by friends of his parents who were part of the same group.

eplanit 5y ago

Parents shape one's character (usually), where the offspring generally become similar to the parent, or in other cases the antithesis. In this instance, it seems the apple didn't fall far from the tree. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+far+from+the+tree https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+...

wayneftw 5y ago

How is discovering and discussing the backgrounds of people running things not relevant to an informal discussion of the current events? I was quite intrigued by this Wikipedia article below. > The Weather Underground was a radical left wing militant organization... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground I also had some fun researching how the CIA (I thought was probably) involved in all of this. Found some stuff on Wikispooks.com about Chesa Boudin and also this comment (and more) from [1]: > The whole Weather Underground was a project of Cointelpro-New-Left. The idea was to brand students as radical and violent marxists and put out propaganda about them to break up genuine student organizing in opposition to the Vietnam War. It’s a classic guilt-by-association strategy – by labeling progressive policies as “Crazy San Francisco” it causes a reactionary policy implementation almost everywhere else. Boudin is so obviously CIA as was Gascon and now we have yet another phony CIA culture war that gets everyone outraged, divided, and distracted. [1] https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blames-system-for-parolees-hit-and-run-killing-2-pedestrians/ https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blame...

merpnderp 5y ago

Dude, because he's defended their actions. Last year didn't he refuse to press charges against a guy snuck up behind two cops and fractured one's skull with a glass bottle and cut the other's face open, all caught on video? How many rapes has he refused to prosecute? And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes. His views on justice are incredibly twisted, likely starting with the pretzel he had to turn is brain into to justify his parents being murderers.

pmoriarty 5y ago
"And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes." You're implying the reason cops are abusing their power is that they're overwhelmed? How about the sadistic, power tripping cops among them that actually murder people, assault or torture them, plant evidence, lie and frame people, etc... No, being overwhelmed (even if they are) doesn't remotely excuse any of that. "he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes" What crimes? If they're crimes of drug possession, in my eyes they should be let off because the War on Drugs is unjust, ineffective, and wrong.
- merpnderp 5y ago
  No one said anything you think they said. What you are talking about is a completely different subject. If you actually paid attention to what is going on, this DA is saying the cops aren't bringing him enough cases to prosecute. The cops say they're arresting people with multiple outstanding violent offenses against them, so that they can't ever reduce the number of offenders because they keep getting let back out. Do you not give a shit about assaults, rapes, robberies and violent people being let out over and over? You one of crazy people who would rather just get rid of all the cops and enjoy some Wild West mob justice/lynchings? Cause humanity went without cops for far longer than it had cops, and we know exactly how that works out. Yes cops need reformed, but tell that to someone who's daughter was raped by a repeat felon, awaiting multiple trials, who some turd DA thinks restorative justice means license to rape.