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I've been seeing articles like this for years, but the people I have talked to in the real world say they don't see any of these problems like how they are repo

I've been seeing articles like this for years, but the people I have talked to in the real world say they don't see any of these problems like how they are reported online. There must be some kind of perception gap going on.

jollybean 5y ago
SF is a highly compartmentalized city. If you walk through some areas to go to work, you see it. If you live just 400m away, you may never. That actually may possibly be part of the problem.
- pkdpic_y9k 5y ago
  Thats a really good point.
- the_snooze 5y ago
  I was in Berkeley for a couple years, living in the hills and working downtown. The two areas are just a 20 minute walk apart, but you wouldn't ever see the deep social issues and poverty on the streets if you never left the hills.
ghoul_hunter 5y ago
This article is just a piece of the long-running right-wing propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting Chesa Boudin. In SF, it's driven by VCs furious that he's sued gig economy companies for worker misclassification. In other cities, like Philadelphia, the backlash is driven by police unions (the DA in Philadelphia was the subject of a similar string of articles in the local and national press and then won reelection by a 2:1 margin over his closest rival).
- ta988 5y ago
  Where can I read about that? Is anybody documenting these pressure groups across the country?
  - boringg 5y ago
    Some about the recall effort funding sources - seems like a lot of out of sf money is coming into the campaign: https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/These-charts-show-who-is-funding-both-sides-of-16082178.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/These-charts-show-... https://sfist.com/2021/06/24/recall-chesa-boudin-campaign-tried-to-advertise-on-nextdoor-ads-were-quickly-removed/ https://sfist.com/2021/06/24/recall-chesa-boudin-campaign-tr...
    - refurb 5y ago
      Boudin anti-recall campaign is being financed by Gascon in LA. Two peas in a pod those guys are.
    - ta988 5y ago
      thanks
ta988 5y ago
Or investors in real estate that hired PR companies to try to increase "attractiveness" in areas they would want to develop. If you repeat it enough, it will be believed.
boringg 5y ago
It is definitely there but there is a very widespread effort to demonize SF by any right leaning media organization (even NYT loves to hate on SF). Therefore the death of San Francisco has been widely over exaggerated much like the plight of San Franciscans. That and a lot of the headlines generate solid click through ad dollars. There are very real problems in SF (as with every other major american city). Take your news sources with a serious dose of skepticism.
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- hskll 5y ago
  > Therefore the death of San Francisco has been widely over exaggerated much like the plight of San Franciscans. Depends on your definition of 'death'. I take issue with JumpCrisscross's definition of 'it's not going to be as wealthy as it was.' In fact I mourn the opposite. The city is too expensive. Specifically too expensive for new voices to take risks on interesting food ideas, or unique boutiques, or artistic expression. The story of San Francisco is the story of gentrification chasing culture. Dating back to development of the Fillmore Jazz culture precipated by poor people moving into the boarded up buildings in what was then Japan town following the US government's rouding up and interning of Japanese residents. I think San Francisco is dead, or at least 'dying', because all of the unique neighborhoods have become homogenised 'techie' centers; 'dead' because everyone seems unintersted in making efforts to push back on legislatively. If the majority of your residents are primarily consumers of culture, and monied to the point that producers of culture are unable to afford to live there, then your city will lose any cultural identity. I think it was perfectly encapsulated in a scene in "The Last Black Man In San Francisco". The protagonist was sitting at a bus stop and a fully nude person walked up and sat at the bus stop. They sat quietly together until the nude person asked how long the protagonist had been waiting. The protagonist answered and added a personal note about thinking it'd just be faster to skateboard instead. They nod in aggreement and then a party bus full of people adorned in what appears to be startup swag stop in front of the bus stop and drunkenly point out the 'hillarity' of this old naked person just sitting at a bus stop. Something that was unconventional social behaviour was treated as normal by our San Francisco loving protagonist and the drunken tech mob vocally mocked and denigrated that part of the city's identity. That two minute scene encapsulated the last 15 years in the city for me, and it broke me. I have heard some people hope that the now many vacant store fronts that suffered the ultimate fate due to the pandemic means the city could have a resurgence, but I have grown cynical, and fear it will just result in further consolidation of ownership in a wealthy few. It happened to Manhattan too; another city I love. It belongs to the banks and uber wealthy now.
scruple 5y ago
I guess. I stopped going to SF back in 2015 because of how pathetic the city was _back then_ and I've heard from numerous friends who have left the place, pushing south to SV/San Jose, out to Davis and Sacramento, or even leaving the state entirely over the last 6 years that it's only gotten worse. Who isn't being honest here?

jollybean 5y ago

SF is a highly compartmentalized city. If you walk through some areas to go to work, you see it. If you live just 400m away, you may never. That actually may possibly be part of the problem.

pkdpic_y9k 5y ago
Thats a really good point.
the_snooze 5y ago
I was in Berkeley for a couple years, living in the hills and working downtown. The two areas are just a 20 minute walk apart, but you wouldn't ever see the deep social issues and poverty on the streets if you never left the hills.

ghoul_hunter 5y ago

This article is just a piece of the long-running right-wing propaganda campaign aimed at discrediting Chesa Boudin. In SF, it's driven by VCs furious that he's sued gig economy companies for worker misclassification. In other cities, like Philadelphia, the backlash is driven by police unions (the DA in Philadelphia was the subject of a similar string of articles in the local and national press and then won reelection by a 2:1 margin over his closest rival).

ta988 5y ago
Where can I read about that? Is anybody documenting these pressure groups across the country?
- boringg 5y ago
  Some about the recall effort funding sources - seems like a lot of out of sf money is coming into the campaign: https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/These-charts-show-who-is-funding-both-sides-of-16082178.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/local/article/These-charts-show-... https://sfist.com/2021/06/24/recall-chesa-boudin-campaign-tried-to-advertise-on-nextdoor-ads-were-quickly-removed/ https://sfist.com/2021/06/24/recall-chesa-boudin-campaign-tr...
  - refurb 5y ago
    Boudin anti-recall campaign is being financed by Gascon in LA. Two peas in a pod those guys are.
  - ta988 5y ago
    thanks

ta988 5y ago

Or investors in real estate that hired PR companies to try to increase "attractiveness" in areas they would want to develop. If you repeat it enough, it will be believed.

boringg 5y ago

It is definitely there but there is a very widespread effort to demonize SF by any right leaning media organization (even NYT loves to hate on SF). Therefore the death of San Francisco has been widely over exaggerated much like the plight of San Franciscans. That and a lot of the headlines generate solid click through ad dollars. There are very real problems in SF (as with every other major american city). Take your news sources with a serious dose of skepticism.

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hskll 5y ago
> Therefore the death of San Francisco has been widely over exaggerated much like the plight of San Franciscans. Depends on your definition of 'death'. I take issue with JumpCrisscross's definition of 'it's not going to be as wealthy as it was.' In fact I mourn the opposite. The city is too expensive. Specifically too expensive for new voices to take risks on interesting food ideas, or unique boutiques, or artistic expression. The story of San Francisco is the story of gentrification chasing culture. Dating back to development of the Fillmore Jazz culture precipated by poor people moving into the boarded up buildings in what was then Japan town following the US government's rouding up and interning of Japanese residents. I think San Francisco is dead, or at least 'dying', because all of the unique neighborhoods have become homogenised 'techie' centers; 'dead' because everyone seems unintersted in making efforts to push back on legislatively. If the majority of your residents are primarily consumers of culture, and monied to the point that producers of culture are unable to afford to live there, then your city will lose any cultural identity. I think it was perfectly encapsulated in a scene in "The Last Black Man In San Francisco". The protagonist was sitting at a bus stop and a fully nude person walked up and sat at the bus stop. They sat quietly together until the nude person asked how long the protagonist had been waiting. The protagonist answered and added a personal note about thinking it'd just be faster to skateboard instead. They nod in aggreement and then a party bus full of people adorned in what appears to be startup swag stop in front of the bus stop and drunkenly point out the 'hillarity' of this old naked person just sitting at a bus stop. Something that was unconventional social behaviour was treated as normal by our San Francisco loving protagonist and the drunken tech mob vocally mocked and denigrated that part of the city's identity. That two minute scene encapsulated the last 15 years in the city for me, and it broke me. I have heard some people hope that the now many vacant store fronts that suffered the ultimate fate due to the pandemic means the city could have a resurgence, but I have grown cynical, and fear it will just result in further consolidation of ownership in a wealthy few. It happened to Manhattan too; another city I love. It belongs to the banks and uber wealthy now.

scruple 5y ago

I guess. I stopped going to SF back in 2015 because of how pathetic the city was _back then_ and I've heard from numerous friends who have left the place, pushing south to SV/San Jose, out to Davis and Sacramento, or even leaving the state entirely over the last 6 years that it's only gotten worse. Who isn't being honest here?