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>There is only so much law enforcement can do, though. San Francisco district attorney Chesa Boudin resists prosecuting the dealers whom officers arrest, claimi

>There is only so much law enforcement can do, though. San Francisco district attorney Chesa Boudin resists prosecuting the dealers whom officers arrest, claiming that these individuals, often illegal immigrants, are victims of trafficking (there is scant evidence for this assertion) who should be protected by the city’s sanctuary policy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesa_Boudin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesa_Boudin >Boudin was born in New York City to Jewish parents.[4] His parents, Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, were Weather Underground members, both convicted of murder.

jollybean 5y ago
"and served as a translator in the Venezuelan Presidential Palace during the administration of Hugo Chavez." You literally couldn't write that as a comedy any better. He's like the Left Coast Trump.
jahnu 5y ago
Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all?
- unity1001 5y ago
  For the needed character assassination?
- josephcsible 5y ago
  Having convicted criminals for parents is almost certainly a contributing factor to why he's so pro-criminal.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all? I've seen Chesa speak once. He referenced his parents when telling his story and has lobbied for their early release [1]. We aren't defined by our parents. Their crimes aren't our own. But if a child defends his parents' crimes and advocates against their prosecution, it's fair to bring it up. [1] https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get-clemency-for-his-incarcerated-father/ https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get...
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    Chesa Boudin's connection to his imprisoned Weathermen parents and his appeal for clemency has been brought up on HN multiple times. But not once, not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release, as if that's not even relevant. From the article: "The move comes after a separate request for Gilbert's clemency last week, reported by the Chronicle, that was signed by 45 faith leaders, including Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s daughter, and Mohandas Gandhi's granddaugther. Also appealing to Gov. Cuomo since the prison in question is in his state, they wrote that "We see daily that elders in prison, especially those with compromised immune systems and underlying health concerns, are in grave danger and many have died. For us, like you and your father before you, opposition to the death penalty is a religious and moral principle."" "New York's Department of Corrections and Community Supervision data shows that in that state, there have been 3,400 coronavirus cases and 23 deaths in the prison system. Boudin told the Chronicle there are more than 100 cases at his father maximum security prison, Shawangunk Correctional Facility. ""I'm worried my father could die of COVID-19 in prison. He has always expressed great remorse for the victims and he has never tried to deny or minimize the role he played in a serious crime," he added, to SFGate. "There is no compelling reason for my father to remain incarcerated.""
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release It's literally in the subtitle of the article in the comment to which you're replying.
      - pmoriarty 5y ago
        But the actual HN comments don't mention that. They only ever mention that he wants them released, but never why. It's a fact that a lot of HN readers never actually click through to read the articles people post anyway, so most people go by the contents of the comments not the articles. I'd bet you anything that most people who read this thread didn't click through and read that article itself, which is why I quoted it. Now they damn well know what it says.
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- shadilay 5y ago
  He was raised by friends of his parents who were part of the same group.
- eplanit 5y ago
  Parents shape one's character (usually), where the offspring generally become similar to the parent, or in other cases the antithesis. In this instance, it seems the apple didn't fall far from the tree. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+far+from+the+tree https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+...
- wayneftw 5y ago
  How is discovering and discussing the backgrounds of people running things not relevant to an informal discussion of the current events? I was quite intrigued by this Wikipedia article below. > The Weather Underground was a radical left wing militant organization... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground I also had some fun researching how the CIA (I thought was probably) involved in all of this. Found some stuff on Wikispooks.com about Chesa Boudin and also this comment (and more) from [1]: > The whole Weather Underground was a project of Cointelpro-New-Left. The idea was to brand students as radical and violent marxists and put out propaganda about them to break up genuine student organizing in opposition to the Vietnam War. It’s a classic guilt-by-association strategy – by labeling progressive policies as “Crazy San Francisco” it causes a reactionary policy implementation almost everywhere else. Boudin is so obviously CIA as was Gascon and now we have yet another phony CIA culture war that gets everyone outraged, divided, and distracted. [1] https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blames-system-for-parolees-hit-and-run-killing-2-pedestrians/ https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blame...
- merpnderp 5y ago
  Dude, because he's defended their actions. Last year didn't he refuse to press charges against a guy snuck up behind two cops and fractured one's skull with a glass bottle and cut the other's face open, all caught on video? How many rapes has he refused to prosecute? And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes. His views on justice are incredibly twisted, likely starting with the pretzel he had to turn is brain into to justify his parents being murderers.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    "And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes." You're implying the reason cops are abusing their power is that they're overwhelmed? How about the sadistic, power tripping cops among them that actually murder people, assault or torture them, plant evidence, lie and frame people, etc... No, being overwhelmed (even if they are) doesn't remotely excuse any of that. "he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes" What crimes? If they're crimes of drug possession, in my eyes they should be let off because the War on Drugs is unjust, ineffective, and wrong.
    - merpnderp 5y ago
      No one said anything you think they said. What you are talking about is a completely different subject. If you actually paid attention to what is going on, this DA is saying the cops aren't bringing him enough cases to prosecute. The cops say they're arresting people with multiple outstanding violent offenses against them, so that they can't ever reduce the number of offenders because they keep getting let back out. Do you not give a shit about assaults, rapes, robberies and violent people being let out over and over? You one of crazy people who would rather just get rid of all the cops and enjoy some Wild West mob justice/lynchings? Cause humanity went without cops for far longer than it had cops, and we know exactly how that works out. Yes cops need reformed, but tell that to someone who's daughter was raped by a repeat felon, awaiting multiple trials, who some turd DA thinks restorative justice means license to rape.
refurb 5y ago
Wait, he’s saying there is nothing can be done? He’s actually just letting them go? As a SF resident I’d be furious. You damn well know Chesa lives somewhere he doesn’t deal with the ramifications. Since Chesa is under a recall campaign there is a concerted social media effort to defend him on places like Twitter. Look up the efforts to discredit Dion Lim who has done stories about the Asian American victims of crimes committed by career criminals who were released by Chesa.
- boringg 5y ago
  This incessant and inaccurate campaign against Chesa Boudin is unreal. Go do your research and you aren't an SF resident.
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boringg 5y ago
You are not defined by your parents actions. I see how you are trying to run a smear campaign on Chesa Boudin.
- jollybean 5y ago
  You are if you are raised in a family of radical activism. "Boudin translated Understanding the Bolivarian Revolution: Hugo Chávez Speaks with Marta Harnecker" Etc.. This is a sympathetic action towards one of the most deplorable and despicable authoritarian murderers in recent history. Literally as we speak, the Venezuelan exodus has reached unimaginable levels: "More than 5.6 million have left the country since 2015, when it had a population of 30 million, escaping political, economic and social hardships. It has become the largest external displacement crisis in the region’s history, " [1] (And this is from the Guardian, not some right wing news source.) [1] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jun/21/latin-america-will-never-be-the-same-venezuela-exodus-reaches-record-levels https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jun/21/l...
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    I hope the people who have so much sympathy for Venezuelans fleeing the country are willing to open their own country's doors to them. Somehow, though, I suspect those very same people will instead give them the middle finger and build a wall to keep them out, because they really don't give a shit about Venezuelans but just want to score political points by being against a left-wing government.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      It's not sustainable to take in unlimited numbers of immigrants from every badly-governed country in the world. It'd be way better to fix Venezuela's government so people don't need to flee anymore.
      - pmoriarty 5y ago
        Who's talking about unlimited? Let's start with allowing in more immigrants than we do now. But, no, instead the racists and xenophobes (because that's what they are) are always pushing for less.
pkdpic_y9k 5y ago
Im a little confused, what are the arguments for and against Boudin here?
eplanit 5y ago
Wow. It seems that SF is getting exactly the outcomes they voted for, which is actually justice (though perverted). Policy-making in SF (and many other (cough)blue(cough) places) is done by emotion, not economics. And, political ideology there has literally replaced religion -- nobody in power dare vote against the severe orthodoxy, even if that means feces and human despair littering the streets and parks. What is their goal, I wonder?
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  Tolerating homelessness and the tent cities and open air drug use which victimize nothing but the eyes and noses of the uptight need not be analogous with tolerating rampant car break-ins, package theft and other petty "crime with a victim". Furthermore, the "real crime" that greatly reduces quality of life is not necessarily committed by the people shooting up on the sidewalk. Enforce laws against theft. Enforce laws against public indecency and disorderly conduct. Enforce laws which will have the most positive impact on everyone's quality of life. People being homeless isn't the problem. People being allowed to get away with all these other behaviors that reduce quality of life for everyone else is the problem.
  - merpnderp 5y ago
    You may think it isn't a crime to shit in public, and stand in the middle of the street moaning and pissing yourself because you are so high you are mostly catatonic. So I hope you and people like you never move to where I live.
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      People using everywhere as their bathroom certainly decreases quality of life for everyone else but it's not even a blip on the radar when you lose a couple packages a month and your car gets broken into once a year. Solve the most impactful problems first.
      - josephcsible 5y ago
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pmoriarty 5y ago
"There is only so much law enforcement can do" Drug abuse should not be a law enforcement issue, but a medical issue. The problems on that street are a failure of the mental health system, lack of social safety nets, and the abject failure of the war on drugs which forces people to use unsafe drugs in unsafe ways instead of making sure that safe drugs can be used safely (which is what legalization or at least decriminalization would help ensure).
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Drug abuse should not be a law enforcement issue, but a medical issue The comment you're replying to concerns itself with drug dealers. Not users. Theirs is not a medical issue, but a law enforcement one.
  - pmoriarty 5y ago
    Drug dealers should not be arrested either! The whole War on Drugs is completely unjust, immoral, misguided, and ineffective. People should not go to jail for using or selling drugs. Both should be made legal and regulated.

jollybean 5y ago

"and served as a translator in the Venezuelan Presidential Palace during the administration of Hugo Chavez." You literally couldn't write that as a comedy any better. He's like the Left Coast Trump.

jahnu 5y ago

Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all?

unity1001 5y ago
For the needed character assassination?
josephcsible 5y ago
Having convicted criminals for parents is almost certainly a contributing factor to why he's so pro-criminal.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Why are the crimes of his parents relevant at all? I've seen Chesa speak once. He referenced his parents when telling his story and has lobbied for their early release [1]. We aren't defined by our parents. Their crimes aren't our own. But if a child defends his parents' crimes and advocates against their prosecution, it's fair to bring it up. [1] https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get-clemency-for-his-incarcerated-father/ https://sfist.com/2020/11/25/da-chesa-boudin-lobbying-to-get...
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  Chesa Boudin's connection to his imprisoned Weathermen parents and his appeal for clemency has been brought up on HN multiple times. But not once, not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release, as if that's not even relevant. From the article: "The move comes after a separate request for Gilbert's clemency last week, reported by the Chronicle, that was signed by 45 faith leaders, including Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s daughter, and Mohandas Gandhi's granddaugther. Also appealing to Gov. Cuomo since the prison in question is in his state, they wrote that "We see daily that elders in prison, especially those with compromised immune systems and underlying health concerns, are in grave danger and many have died. For us, like you and your father before you, opposition to the death penalty is a religious and moral principle."" "New York's Department of Corrections and Community Supervision data shows that in that state, there have been 3,400 coronavirus cases and 23 deaths in the prison system. Boudin told the Chronicle there are more than 100 cases at his father maximum security prison, Shawangunk Correctional Facility. ""I'm worried my father could die of COVID-19 in prison. He has always expressed great remorse for the victims and he has never tried to deny or minimize the role he played in a serious crime," he added, to SFGate. "There is no compelling reason for my father to remain incarcerated.""
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > not once has anyone ever mentioned why he is seeking their release It's literally in the subtitle of the article in the comment to which you're replying.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      But the actual HN comments don't mention that. They only ever mention that he wants them released, but never why. It's a fact that a lot of HN readers never actually click through to read the articles people post anyway, so most people go by the contents of the comments not the articles. I'd bet you anything that most people who read this thread didn't click through and read that article itself, which is why I quoted it. Now they damn well know what it says.
- 5y ago
shadilay 5y ago
He was raised by friends of his parents who were part of the same group.
eplanit 5y ago
Parents shape one's character (usually), where the offspring generally become similar to the parent, or in other cases the antithesis. In this instance, it seems the apple didn't fall far from the tree. https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+far+from+the+tree https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/the+apple+doesn't+fall+...
wayneftw 5y ago
How is discovering and discussing the backgrounds of people running things not relevant to an informal discussion of the current events? I was quite intrigued by this Wikipedia article below. > The Weather Underground was a radical left wing militant organization... [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground I also had some fun researching how the CIA (I thought was probably) involved in all of this. Found some stuff on Wikispooks.com about Chesa Boudin and also this comment (and more) from [1]: > The whole Weather Underground was a project of Cointelpro-New-Left. The idea was to brand students as radical and violent marxists and put out propaganda about them to break up genuine student organizing in opposition to the Vietnam War. It’s a classic guilt-by-association strategy – by labeling progressive policies as “Crazy San Francisco” it causes a reactionary policy implementation almost everywhere else. Boudin is so obviously CIA as was Gascon and now we have yet another phony CIA culture war that gets everyone outraged, divided, and distracted. [1] https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blames-system-for-parolees-hit-and-run-killing-2-pedestrians/ https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/san-francisco-da-blame...
merpnderp 5y ago
Dude, because he's defended their actions. Last year didn't he refuse to press charges against a guy snuck up behind two cops and fractured one's skull with a glass bottle and cut the other's face open, all caught on video? How many rapes has he refused to prosecute? And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes. His views on justice are incredibly twisted, likely starting with the pretzel he had to turn is brain into to justify his parents being murderers.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  "And then he turns around and blames the cops, even though the reason they are overwhelmed is he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes." You're implying the reason cops are abusing their power is that they're overwhelmed? How about the sadistic, power tripping cops among them that actually murder people, assault or torture them, plant evidence, lie and frame people, etc... No, being overwhelmed (even if they are) doesn't remotely excuse any of that. "he keeps letting repeat offenders off to immediately commit new crimes" What crimes? If they're crimes of drug possession, in my eyes they should be let off because the War on Drugs is unjust, ineffective, and wrong.
  - merpnderp 5y ago
    No one said anything you think they said. What you are talking about is a completely different subject. If you actually paid attention to what is going on, this DA is saying the cops aren't bringing him enough cases to prosecute. The cops say they're arresting people with multiple outstanding violent offenses against them, so that they can't ever reduce the number of offenders because they keep getting let back out. Do you not give a shit about assaults, rapes, robberies and violent people being let out over and over? You one of crazy people who would rather just get rid of all the cops and enjoy some Wild West mob justice/lynchings? Cause humanity went without cops for far longer than it had cops, and we know exactly how that works out. Yes cops need reformed, but tell that to someone who's daughter was raped by a repeat felon, awaiting multiple trials, who some turd DA thinks restorative justice means license to rape.

refurb 5y ago

Wait, he’s saying there is nothing can be done? He’s actually just letting them go? As a SF resident I’d be furious. You damn well know Chesa lives somewhere he doesn’t deal with the ramifications. Since Chesa is under a recall campaign there is a concerted social media effort to defend him on places like Twitter. Look up the efforts to discredit Dion Lim who has done stories about the Asian American victims of crimes committed by career criminals who were released by Chesa.

boringg 5y ago
This incessant and inaccurate campaign against Chesa Boudin is unreal. Go do your research and you aren't an SF resident.
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boringg 5y ago

You are not defined by your parents actions. I see how you are trying to run a smear campaign on Chesa Boudin.

jollybean 5y ago
You are if you are raised in a family of radical activism. "Boudin translated Understanding the Bolivarian Revolution: Hugo Chávez Speaks with Marta Harnecker" Etc.. This is a sympathetic action towards one of the most deplorable and despicable authoritarian murderers in recent history. Literally as we speak, the Venezuelan exodus has reached unimaginable levels: "More than 5.6 million have left the country since 2015, when it had a population of 30 million, escaping political, economic and social hardships. It has become the largest external displacement crisis in the region’s history, " [1] (And this is from the Guardian, not some right wing news source.) [1] https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jun/21/latin-america-will-never-be-the-same-venezuela-exodus-reaches-record-levels https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jun/21/l...
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  I hope the people who have so much sympathy for Venezuelans fleeing the country are willing to open their own country's doors to them. Somehow, though, I suspect those very same people will instead give them the middle finger and build a wall to keep them out, because they really don't give a shit about Venezuelans but just want to score political points by being against a left-wing government.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    It's not sustainable to take in unlimited numbers of immigrants from every badly-governed country in the world. It'd be way better to fix Venezuela's government so people don't need to flee anymore.
    - pmoriarty 5y ago
      Who's talking about unlimited? Let's start with allowing in more immigrants than we do now. But, no, instead the racists and xenophobes (because that's what they are) are always pushing for less.

pkdpic_y9k 5y ago

Im a little confused, what are the arguments for and against Boudin here?

eplanit 5y ago

Wow. It seems that SF is getting exactly the outcomes they voted for, which is actually justice (though perverted). Policy-making in SF (and many other (cough)blue(cough) places) is done by emotion, not economics. And, political ideology there has literally replaced religion -- nobody in power dare vote against the severe orthodoxy, even if that means feces and human despair littering the streets and parks. What is their goal, I wonder?

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Tolerating homelessness and the tent cities and open air drug use which victimize nothing but the eyes and noses of the uptight need not be analogous with tolerating rampant car break-ins, package theft and other petty "crime with a victim". Furthermore, the "real crime" that greatly reduces quality of life is not necessarily committed by the people shooting up on the sidewalk. Enforce laws against theft. Enforce laws against public indecency and disorderly conduct. Enforce laws which will have the most positive impact on everyone's quality of life. People being homeless isn't the problem. People being allowed to get away with all these other behaviors that reduce quality of life for everyone else is the problem.
- merpnderp 5y ago
  You may think it isn't a crime to shit in public, and stand in the middle of the street moaning and pissing yourself because you are so high you are mostly catatonic. So I hope you and people like you never move to where I live.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    People using everywhere as their bathroom certainly decreases quality of life for everyone else but it's not even a blip on the radar when you lose a couple packages a month and your car gets broken into once a year. Solve the most impactful problems first.
    - josephcsible 5y ago

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pmoriarty 5y ago

"There is only so much law enforcement can do" Drug abuse should not be a law enforcement issue, but a medical issue. The problems on that street are a failure of the mental health system, lack of social safety nets, and the abject failure of the war on drugs which forces people to use unsafe drugs in unsafe ways instead of making sure that safe drugs can be used safely (which is what legalization or at least decriminalization would help ensure).

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Drug abuse should not be a law enforcement issue, but a medical issue The comment you're replying to concerns itself with drug dealers. Not users. Theirs is not a medical issue, but a law enforcement one.
- pmoriarty 5y ago
  Drug dealers should not be arrested either! The whole War on Drugs is completely unjust, immoral, misguided, and ineffective. People should not go to jail for using or selling drugs. Both should be made legal and regulated.