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> How long will it be between the introduction of lab-grown meat until killing animals for food is banned? Is this a generational thing (so older people still c

by esens 5y ago

> How long will it be between the introduction of lab-grown meat until killing animals for food is banned? Is this a generational thing (so older people still consider eating animals to be acceptable, while younger people do not), or is it a country-wide thing (countries move to ban eating animals one by one, driven by a general shift in moral attitude), or what? How does this change in morality propagate through society? Just because they ate meat? Maybe not, but they may not look kindly on those that did large scale killing with less than humane practices. I could see this individuals being more likely to be "Cancelled." Maybe those that fought vegans or fought against animal rights activities? Those opposing change for the better or were active participants in things we in the future see as bad. Remember that most people cancelled were active participants, rather than passive bystanders going with the flow.

marcus_holmes 5y ago
True. We tend to cancel slave traders rather than slave owners, because if we were to cancel the slave owners then we'd have to cancel a lot of people. I should clarify. I'm not criticising cancel culture. I'm interested in how the shift in morality happens and how it propagates, and what that means for us now. Is morality retroactive? Am I an immoral person because I eat meat, even though it's common practise now?
- buu700 5y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if this nuance were lost in the hypothetical future cancel culture, but I think anyone giving careful consideration to present circumstances would realize the terrible choice we all have to make. It's easy to judge someone for complicity in the mass murder of countless animals when you have the luxury of having been saved from that choice by more advanced technology.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
    >I wouldn't be surprised if this nuance were lost in the hypothetical future cancel culture, but I think anyone giving careful consideration to present circumstances would realize the terrible choice we all have to make. It already is lost among many people today so that's not a stretch in the slightest. There are an egregious amount of people that use the morality of the present to judge the decisions of the past when the whole system and culture was different. All simply because these people were spoon-fed and told "this is bad because of 'x'" without explaining from a mindset of why people thought the way they did at the time. I mean the simple fact that there is a concept of "leftism" is enough to state that there is an ideology that someone can measure you against on how "woke" you may or may not be. It's exactly no different than the Catholic church setting up a mock trial to determine if you are a heretic! Except it's not a centralized theology. But clearly it has enough adherence that there are some aristocrats that are willing to kowtow to the belief system.

by esens 5y ago

marcus_holmes 5y ago

True. We tend to cancel slave traders rather than slave owners, because if we were to cancel the slave owners then we'd have to cancel a lot of people. I should clarify. I'm not criticising cancel culture. I'm interested in how the shift in morality happens and how it propagates, and what that means for us now. Is morality retroactive? Am I an immoral person because I eat meat, even though it's common practise now?

buu700 5y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if this nuance were lost in the hypothetical future cancel culture, but I think anyone giving careful consideration to present circumstances would realize the terrible choice we all have to make. It's easy to judge someone for complicity in the mass murder of countless animals when you have the luxury of having been saved from that choice by more advanced technology.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y ago
  >I wouldn't be surprised if this nuance were lost in the hypothetical future cancel culture, but I think anyone giving careful consideration to present circumstances would realize the terrible choice we all have to make. It already is lost among many people today so that's not a stretch in the slightest. There are an egregious amount of people that use the morality of the present to judge the decisions of the past when the whole system and culture was different. All simply because these people were spoon-fed and told "this is bad because of 'x'" without explaining from a mindset of why people thought the way they did at the time. I mean the simple fact that there is a concept of "leftism" is enough to state that there is an ideology that someone can measure you against on how "woke" you may or may not be. It's exactly no different than the Catholic church setting up a mock trial to determine if you are a heretic! Except it's not a centralized theology. But clearly it has enough adherence that there are some aristocrats that are willing to kowtow to the belief system.