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Yeah, that's basically true, partly though, for example I won't agree to that quotation mark. And what's wrong with national pride? And in what way do you thin

by Koiwai 5y ago

Yeah, that's basically true, partly though, for example I won't agree to that quotation mark. And what's wrong with national pride? And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? I thought we learnt that after two WWs. You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense.

brazzy 5y ago
> I won't agree to that quotation mark. An actual peaceful reunification is just not going to happen anytime soon, especially given how things are developing in Hong Kong. And if it involves the military, it's conquest, not a reunification. > And what's wrong with national pride? It is all too easily used by populists to gather support based on an "us vs them" mindset. And (like personal pride) it can compel you to do self-destructive things to avoid losing face. > And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. > You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense. Then why all the fuss about Taiwan? A truly great nation could say "look, how about you strike down that silly idea about retaking the mainland, give back our national treasures, and in return we'll reconize you as an independant country?"
- Koiwai 5y ago
  > And if it involves the military That's your speculation, are we at war now? What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China. By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him". > "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you.
  - brazzy 5y ago
    > That's your speculation, are we at war now? A conditional statement is not speculation. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/12/largest-chinese-breach-of-taiwan-air-zone-in-a-year-after-us-warning https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/12/largest-chines... https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210105-taiwan-says-chinese-jets-made-record-380-incursions-in-2020 https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210105-taiwan-says-c... https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-buildup-attitude-toward-taiwan-raises-conflict-fears-2020-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-buildup-atti... > What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China. Status quo is that it's not part of China, and hasn't been for well over 100 years. This doesn't hurt China in any way. So why not simply accept that status quo? > By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him". I have no idea what you're trying to say here. > Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you. Quite exactly the opposite. But I guess you've just arrived at the point where you can't argue your position in good faith anymore.

by Koiwai 5y ago

brazzy 5y ago

> I won't agree to that quotation mark. An actual peaceful reunification is just not going to happen anytime soon, especially given how things are developing in Hong Kong. And if it involves the military, it's conquest, not a reunification. > And what's wrong with national pride? It is all too easily used by populists to gather support based on an "us vs them" mindset. And (like personal pride) it can compel you to do self-destructive things to avoid losing face. > And in what way do you think waging a war could boost pride? "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. > You might want to check China's current economy and civilian living status, we are not like some middle east country with nothing to lose, no offense. Then why all the fuss about Taiwan? A truly great nation could say "look, how about you strike down that silly idea about retaking the mainland, give back our national treasures, and in return we'll reconize you as an independant country?"

Koiwai 5y ago
> And if it involves the military That's your speculation, are we at war now? What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China. By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him". > "We beat them, so we're better than them". Dumb, but people do think like that. Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you.
- brazzy 5y ago
  > That's your speculation, are we at war now? A conditional statement is not speculation. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/12/largest-chinese-breach-of-taiwan-air-zone-in-a-year-after-us-warning https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/12/largest-chines... https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210105-taiwan-says-chinese-jets-made-record-380-incursions-in-2020 https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210105-taiwan-says-c... https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-buildup-attitude-toward-taiwan-raises-conflict-fears-2020-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-military-buildup-atti... > What fuss about Taiwan? we always declare Taiwan is part of China. Status quo is that it's not part of China, and hasn't been for well over 100 years. This doesn't hurt China in any way. So why not simply accept that status quo? > By all means what you're saying is "this man wants war, let's fight him". I have no idea what you're trying to say here. > Maybe because you think like that and assumes people are like you. Quite exactly the opposite. But I guess you've just arrived at the point where you can't argue your position in good faith anymore.