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I know we've got to start somewhere and I'm all for this direction, but wake me up when we're making synthetic meat products based on beef or pork cell lines.

I know we've got to start somewhere and I'm all for this direction, but wake me up when we're making synthetic meat products based on beef or pork cell lines. Chicken's the one meat I don't feel too guilty about eating, especially in emission terms. Yet, anyway...

wccrawford 5y ago
>At this point, the facility is already able to produce lamb, chicken, and pork products without using genetic modification or animal serum. Future Meat says that it will soon also be able to start production on beef, too. So, they're not producing it commercially, but they can do pork. I'd say the day is inevitable at this point.
- detritus 5y ago
  That's interesting - I thought that fat was the trickier element to replicate, which is a more important dimension in pork and beef. Now then, the interesting question for an Israeli-company - would producing and then consuming synthetic pork be Kosher?
  - wccrawford 5y ago
    I wasn't surprised to see that beef was left out initially. Even without the religious objection, they aren't likely to have much of a market for vat-beef locally because cow-beef isn't desired locally. But once they go more global, there's a really big market for vat-beef. And I would love to know of the religious implications of this as well... Both for cow and pig, for various religions and other beliefs, such as veganism.
    - edanm 5y ago
      Why do you think that cow-beef isn't desired in Israel? We eat plenty of beef.
      - wccrawford 5y ago
        Ignorance of local customs. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about religions and where they're practiced, and just assumed wrongly. Sorry!
        edanm 5y ago
        No worries. I thought you might be trying to suggest that Israelis eat less beef compared to e.g. Americans, which is possible, though no idea if that's true.
nicoburns 5y ago
Have you seen the conditions that (most) farmed chickens are raised in?
- detritus 5y ago
  Yup, and they live for about two months with a level of cognizance and culture that I can just about live with having killed on my behalf. Such things are horrors to our eyes, because we know better. They don't. Not saying it's right, not saying that I wish it weren't thus, but here we are. - ed Also, I'm in the UK, where we still have slightly better farming standards and access to free range/organic produce than some other first world countries. For the moment, anyway... .

wccrawford 5y ago

>At this point, the facility is already able to produce lamb, chicken, and pork products without using genetic modification or animal serum. Future Meat says that it will soon also be able to start production on beef, too. So, they're not producing it commercially, but they can do pork. I'd say the day is inevitable at this point.

detritus 5y ago
That's interesting - I thought that fat was the trickier element to replicate, which is a more important dimension in pork and beef. Now then, the interesting question for an Israeli-company - would producing and then consuming synthetic pork be Kosher?
- wccrawford 5y ago
  I wasn't surprised to see that beef was left out initially. Even without the religious objection, they aren't likely to have much of a market for vat-beef locally because cow-beef isn't desired locally. But once they go more global, there's a really big market for vat-beef. And I would love to know of the religious implications of this as well... Both for cow and pig, for various religions and other beliefs, such as veganism.
  - edanm 5y ago
    Why do you think that cow-beef isn't desired in Israel? We eat plenty of beef.
    - wccrawford 5y ago
      Ignorance of local customs. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about religions and where they're practiced, and just assumed wrongly. Sorry!
      - edanm 5y ago
        No worries. I thought you might be trying to suggest that Israelis eat less beef compared to e.g. Americans, which is possible, though no idea if that's true.

nicoburns 5y ago

Have you seen the conditions that (most) farmed chickens are raised in?

detritus 5y ago
Yup, and they live for about two months with a level of cognizance and culture that I can just about live with having killed on my behalf. Such things are horrors to our eyes, because we know better. They don't. Not saying it's right, not saying that I wish it weren't thus, but here we are. - ed Also, I'm in the UK, where we still have slightly better farming standards and access to free range/organic produce than some other first world countries. For the moment, anyway... .