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I'm at a small business that gets maybe 2 dozen new computers a year but line 1 on my setup list is "DO NOT PLUG IN THE ETHERNET CABLE" I can't believe it's co

by ukyrgf 5y ago

I'm at a small business that gets maybe 2 dozen new computers a year but line 1 on my setup list is "DO NOT PLUG IN THE ETHERNET CABLE" I can't believe it's come to this...

joejacket 5y ago
This is standard procedure for everything, it's been that way with ’smart' TVs for years.
rootusrootus 5y ago
Surely the 'professional' versions don't have this requirement? I'm quite far from a Windows expert, but at the company I work for the IT folks control all aspects of authentication and maintenance (e.g. patches all come through our own servers, not MS or Apple). They'd tell MS to piss off if they tried to require employees to have MS accounts.
- a2tech 5y ago
  No, Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise does the same thing until its bound to a directory.
- ioulian 5y ago
  I've only installed PRO versions of Windows 10 and you CAN setup a local account even if internet is plugged in. It is however, hidden behind a few clicks so you must actively search for it. EDIT: maybe I'm wrong now, as other comment says they changed it a few months back. My last install was somewhere in Dec/2020
  - buran77 5y ago
    I installed a 21H1 Pro version just yesterday. On the user creation screen the local account is still hidden behind a "Domain join instead" button where you can actually use a local account. Of course most people at home would actually actively stay away from that button thinking it must lead to some enterprise IT voodoo.
  - colejohnson66 5y ago
    I just installed a copy of Pro last week, and was able to make a local account just fine. It’s hidden in the corner under what looks like regular text, but is actually a link (versus the big button to use a MS account). And a few more screens in, they’ll ask again with the same small link in the corner. And I think it asked one more time before finishing. Dark patterns abound. It’s horrible, but there are ways around it. For reference, this is in the US (if it matters).
  - TheRealDunkirk 5y ago
    I don't "do" Windows any more, except that it's installed on the company laptop. I do all of my work on a Mac, and gaming on a PS. So I am watching these Windows 11 threads with a lot of amusement. The fact that Microsoft is playing games with this -- such that you can't be sure what's happening, even on their "pro" SKU -- is telling.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    I did an install of Windows 10 Pro N on a Mac Pro a couple weeks ago (followed this guide: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/opencore-on-the-mac-pro.2207814/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/opencore-on-the-mac-pro..., search for "Installing Windows and Linux " section). The Mac was connected to the Internet, I had to do a couple of clicks during the setup to create a local account but it was easy enough to do - I had not searched beforehand and I hadn't set up a Windows machine in the last five years or so. Side note for fellow people willing to run W10 on Mac Pro's, two things: the multi-socket variants won't run on the Home edition, you need the Professional edition, and if you're using Opencore you will need to enable the OpenShell EFI shell as you'll need to run bootmgfw.efi once from the UEFI shell.
- Aerroon 5y ago
  My guess is that the Pro version won't have the requirement yet. But in the future they'll require it for Pro as well.
83457 5y ago
I know no internet connection used to be solution, but I thought there was an option to bypass the ms account requirement during setup for the last couple years?
- scrooched_moose 5y ago
  Its slowly became harder from update to update over the last couple years of updates, and completely removed under normal circumstances in one of the last major updates. AFAIK leaving the ethernet unplugged is the only way to do it now.
  - BLKNSLVR 5y ago
    I did it recently by accident. When it asked for an email address I entered fuck@off.com with the C word as the password. This obviously failed as a legitimate Microsoft login, but it did, very handily, offer the option to create a local account instead.
    - hilbert42 5y ago
      "I did it recently by accident. When it asked for an email address I entered fuck@off.com with the C word as the password." Hey, stop plagiarizing me! ;-)

by ukyrgf 5y ago

I'm at a small business that gets maybe 2 dozen new computers a year but line 1 on my setup list is "DO NOT PLUG IN THE ETHERNET CABLE" I can't believe it's come to this...

joejacket 5y ago

This is standard procedure for everything, it's been that way with ’smart' TVs for years.

rootusrootus 5y ago

Surely the 'professional' versions don't have this requirement? I'm quite far from a Windows expert, but at the company I work for the IT folks control all aspects of authentication and maintenance (e.g. patches all come through our own servers, not MS or Apple). They'd tell MS to piss off if they tried to require employees to have MS accounts.

a2tech 5y ago
No, Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise does the same thing until its bound to a directory.
ioulian 5y ago
I've only installed PRO versions of Windows 10 and you CAN setup a local account even if internet is plugged in. It is however, hidden behind a few clicks so you must actively search for it. EDIT: maybe I'm wrong now, as other comment says they changed it a few months back. My last install was somewhere in Dec/2020
- buran77 5y ago
  I installed a 21H1 Pro version just yesterday. On the user creation screen the local account is still hidden behind a "Domain join instead" button where you can actually use a local account. Of course most people at home would actually actively stay away from that button thinking it must lead to some enterprise IT voodoo.
- colejohnson66 5y ago
  I just installed a copy of Pro last week, and was able to make a local account just fine. It’s hidden in the corner under what looks like regular text, but is actually a link (versus the big button to use a MS account). And a few more screens in, they’ll ask again with the same small link in the corner. And I think it asked one more time before finishing. Dark patterns abound. It’s horrible, but there are ways around it. For reference, this is in the US (if it matters).
- TheRealDunkirk 5y ago
  I don't "do" Windows any more, except that it's installed on the company laptop. I do all of my work on a Mac, and gaming on a PS. So I am watching these Windows 11 threads with a lot of amusement. The fact that Microsoft is playing games with this -- such that you can't be sure what's happening, even on their "pro" SKU -- is telling.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  I did an install of Windows 10 Pro N on a Mac Pro a couple weeks ago (followed this guide: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/opencore-on-the-mac-pro.2207814/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/opencore-on-the-mac-pro..., search for "Installing Windows and Linux " section). The Mac was connected to the Internet, I had to do a couple of clicks during the setup to create a local account but it was easy enough to do - I had not searched beforehand and I hadn't set up a Windows machine in the last five years or so. Side note for fellow people willing to run W10 on Mac Pro's, two things: the multi-socket variants won't run on the Home edition, you need the Professional edition, and if you're using Opencore you will need to enable the OpenShell EFI shell as you'll need to run bootmgfw.efi once from the UEFI shell.
Aerroon 5y ago
My guess is that the Pro version won't have the requirement yet. But in the future they'll require it for Pro as well.

83457 5y ago

I know no internet connection used to be solution, but I thought there was an option to bypass the ms account requirement during setup for the last couple years?

scrooched_moose 5y ago
Its slowly became harder from update to update over the last couple years of updates, and completely removed under normal circumstances in one of the last major updates. AFAIK leaving the ethernet unplugged is the only way to do it now.
- BLKNSLVR 5y ago
  I did it recently by accident. When it asked for an email address I entered fuck@off.com with the C word as the password. This obviously failed as a legitimate Microsoft login, but it did, very handily, offer the option to create a local account instead.
  - hilbert42 5y ago
    "I did it recently by accident. When it asked for an email address I entered fuck@off.com with the C word as the password." Hey, stop plagiarizing me! ;-)