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> bought something from a shop with no stickiness If you want this you can still have it, you just need to follow a simple rule: Absolutely no non-free non co
by swiley 5y ago
> bought something from a shop with no stickiness
If you want this you can still have it, you just need to follow a simple rule:
Absolutely no non-free non community maintained software ever period.
- bostonpete 5y agoThat rule is simple to state, but damn near impossible to actually execute. I can't imagine the hoops you'd have to jump through to have a cell phone following this simple rule. I appreciate the push towards open source -- obviously a lot of good has come of it, but I'll happily take stickiness for convenience in many situations.
- swiley 5y ago> I can't imagine the hoops you'd have to jump through to have a cell phone following this simple rule. It was hard, thankfully pine64 exists and it's no longer any more difficult than following on the desktop.
- orangepanda 5y agoRolled your own cellular infrastructure as well?
- swiley 5y agoThey're working on that interestingly enough, but that kind of thing does take time.
- pschastain 5y agoPlenty of community-maintained software for it?
- swiley 5y agoYeah! The entire desktop Linux software library is available and that has a lot of really good, community maintained software.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y agoIs much of that library good on mobile?
- swiley 5y agoIt depends on the UI configuration. I run an overlapping desktop WM on mine and as long as the software doesn't need a second mouse button it's fine.
- rovr138 5y agoPinephone. I believe the idea is that anything with blobs can be hardware disabled.
- orangepanda 5y agoHe said, on a non community maintained forum. --- Do you mint your own hardware as well? The problem with hard rules is there's numerous exceptions when it doesnt make sense to follow, invalidating the "rule" all together.
- rovr138 5y agoThey also did say ‘software’.
- Retric 5y agoYour monitor has software, as does basically everything built lately significantly more complicated than a fan.
- TheFreim 5y agoIt's a general rule that solves the stickiness problem, I don't think you need to go deeper than that. Is it or is it not true that going with community maintained software as much as possible prevents stickiness? We don't want to miss the forest.
- Retric 5y agoOSS software isn’t immune to this stuff either. Many projects want to increase the number of people using them. What’s different is the community pushes back on annoying examples where customers are mostly stuck with that they purchased and don’t have a say.
- ajdude 5y agoYou’re getting downvoted but I’ve seen this even with Firefox and Ubuntu lately. No, I don’t want to log into a web account! Then you have stuff like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114194
- ghoward 5y agoAnd this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27068400 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27068400
- pschastain 5y agoSo you don't do mobile? Because I don't know of any truly functional mobile platforms other than Android and iOS, neither of which is community-maintained.
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- GuB-42 5y agoFree, community maintained software have all sorts of problems too. Essentially, the problem is that the software is made to fit the developers needs, not the user needs. If they both have the same needs, that's great, if they don't most people are better off with a commercial solution. Also keep in mind that in most major free software, the "community" is mostly for-profit companies that want the software to fit their own needs and they have no money to spend for anything else. This is free software working as intended, and in some cases (like Linux), it works really great. But it is not a silver bullet and proprietary software still is the best answer in some cases.
- swiley 5y ago>fit the developers needs, not the user needs. This is why I qualified open source with "community maintained." When there's a strong partition between the community and the developers then FOSS looks a lot like closed software.
- vimacs2 5y ago> This is why I qualified open source with "community maintained." When there's a strong partition between the community and the developers then FOSS looks a lot like closed software. I'm just going to come out and say that I think Gnome and Firefox are two of the worst offenders of this.
- swiley 5y agoRight. At least with Gnome even distro maintainers struggle to keep up with the churn and build it, users have little hope of success there. The result is a partition between the community and the developers who spend a lot of time in the code. Firefox has a similar situation although I would argue it isn't quite as bad.
- zxzax 5y agoIf you have suggestions on how to fix that I think a lot of people would love to hear it, but for now, sadly the task of building a fully complete desktop and application platform means that there is a lot of code and a lot of churn. This is true of every single major platform.
- criddell 5y agoFor most people it would mean giving up far more than they would gain.
- swiley 5y agoIt might appear that way but much of the cost of non-community-maintained software is hidden and people don't realize it until long after it becomes expensive to leave. Because of this I'm not sure I agree.
- criddell 5y agoDo you have any examples? I don't think it's true for most mainstream consumer-level stuff. For example, you're suggestion would mean I can't play console video games, stream movies, or even watch DVDs.