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that we honestly don't need a healthy chunk of our fellow citizens. So dehumanising the way you talk about these people. We definitely need YOU, right? Maybe

that we honestly don't need a healthy chunk of our fellow citizens. So dehumanising the way you talk about these people. We definitely need YOU, right? Maybe I should just log off HN for today.

netizen-936824 5y ago
They never said that, you are putting words in their post. They could have the opinion that they are one of those people.
fxtentacle 5y ago
It is cruel, I agree, but it might be the reality. We have collectively decided to value people based on their economic output. It's called capitalism and it seems to work OK or better for the majority of people. But sticking to it does dehumanize or at the very least devalue a certain part of our people. That said, it was not my intention to judge people based on their work merit. I am merely pointing out that our society would continue to function even if let's say 20% of all people were permanently unemployed. So please don't shoot the messenger. And no, most of society doesn't care whether I do what I do or not. If my finances allow it, I might even opt to voluntarily become part of the "not needed = permanently unemployed" group and spend more time with my family instead of working.
pizzazzaro 5y ago
I dont know about you, but I would love the opportunity to just have my bills paid, while I pursue some passion project. Write some code for broad utility and GPL it. Maybe paint. Maybe teach some neighbors' kids how to code. Maybe help the neighbors with a few things, so they can have time with their kids. Finally build that 3D printer filament recycler for those plastic cups. And print toys for the neighborhood kids by how much they can collect. Share. Build. Dream. Learn. Live. Its not that these things arent contributing to our society. Its that these things are not itemized by a monetary value as part of the GDP. And I think that says something about the way we run our economy, more than it says about "laziness," or whatever hustle-culture sales-pitch theyre calling it now. People are passionate. If someone lacks it? Someone or something trained them to be otherwise - usually mistakenly calling this a part of "discipline."

that we honestly don't need a healthy chunk of our fellow citizens. So dehumanising the way you talk about these people. We definitely need YOU, right? Maybe I should just log off HN for today.

netizen-936824 5y ago

They never said that, you are putting words in their post. They could have the opinion that they are one of those people.

fxtentacle 5y ago

It is cruel, I agree, but it might be the reality. We have collectively decided to value people based on their economic output. It's called capitalism and it seems to work OK or better for the majority of people. But sticking to it does dehumanize or at the very least devalue a certain part of our people. That said, it was not my intention to judge people based on their work merit. I am merely pointing out that our society would continue to function even if let's say 20% of all people were permanently unemployed. So please don't shoot the messenger. And no, most of society doesn't care whether I do what I do or not. If my finances allow it, I might even opt to voluntarily become part of the "not needed = permanently unemployed" group and spend more time with my family instead of working.

pizzazzaro 5y ago

I dont know about you, but I would love the opportunity to just have my bills paid, while I pursue some passion project. Write some code for broad utility and GPL it. Maybe paint. Maybe teach some neighbors' kids how to code. Maybe help the neighbors with a few things, so they can have time with their kids. Finally build that 3D printer filament recycler for those plastic cups. And print toys for the neighborhood kids by how much they can collect. Share. Build. Dream. Learn. Live. Its not that these things arent contributing to our society. Its that these things are not itemized by a monetary value as part of the GDP. And I think that says something about the way we run our economy, more than it says about "laziness," or whatever hustle-culture sales-pitch theyre calling it now. People are passionate. If someone lacks it? Someone or something trained them to be otherwise - usually mistakenly calling this a part of "discipline."