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Millions of Germans thought that they had nothing to hide, back in 1930. Until they had. I usually reply to the Myth #1 with "BECAUSE IT'S NONE OF YOUR FUCKING

Millions of Germans thought that they had nothing to hide, back in 1930. Until they had. I usually reply to the Myth #1 with "BECAUSE IT'S NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS!" Really guys, you don't have to know my age, gender, religion, browsing history and klick behavior to sell me a bottle of soda. And for reading a government website or browsing a catalog of goods, you don't need to know aything about me.

XorNot 5y ago
> Millions of Germans thought that they had nothing to hide, back in 1930. Until they had. Well this is just plain a massive rewrite of history. The Nazi's were not in anyway covert about who they were going after, and they enjoyed broad popular support to do it. "Privacy" doesn't mean a whole lot when the actual metric of oppression was "we're going to grab everyone who goes into that church over there".
- j_4 5y ago
  It is a very valid argument against data collection for the sake of data collection, which is closely related. Can't find the exact source, but there was this story about some French (?) town keeping a list of Jews in their documents, for no real reason. It's a piece of data - better to have it than not, right? Might be useful some day. Nazis certainly thought so when they occupied the town and got hold of the list.
  - XorNot 5y ago
    The Nazi's weren't enabled by a database. They wouldn't have been stopped by the lack of one. And they certainly didn't care whether or not the the people they killed were actually Jews. Fascism targets "the other".
cik 5y ago
Soon, I'm sure it will be illegal to use the various ad blocking, tracking blocking, header alteration, mac address changing, tunnel shifting, and other technologies I both deploy and use. I'm confident that this will happen within my lifetime, which is chilling at best. It's reasons like this that I've started to eliminate what little online footprint my meat-person has now, while I can. At issue is the fact that I cannot delete my HN profile, nor go back and delete posts. I find that troublesome.

XorNot 5y ago

> Millions of Germans thought that they had nothing to hide, back in 1930. Until they had. Well this is just plain a massive rewrite of history. The Nazi's were not in anyway covert about who they were going after, and they enjoyed broad popular support to do it. "Privacy" doesn't mean a whole lot when the actual metric of oppression was "we're going to grab everyone who goes into that church over there".

j_4 5y ago
It is a very valid argument against data collection for the sake of data collection, which is closely related. Can't find the exact source, but there was this story about some French (?) town keeping a list of Jews in their documents, for no real reason. It's a piece of data - better to have it than not, right? Might be useful some day. Nazis certainly thought so when they occupied the town and got hold of the list.
- XorNot 5y ago
  The Nazi's weren't enabled by a database. They wouldn't have been stopped by the lack of one. And they certainly didn't care whether or not the the people they killed were actually Jews. Fascism targets "the other".

cik 5y ago

Soon, I'm sure it will be illegal to use the various ad blocking, tracking blocking, header alteration, mac address changing, tunnel shifting, and other technologies I both deploy and use. I'm confident that this will happen within my lifetime, which is chilling at best. It's reasons like this that I've started to eliminate what little online footprint my meat-person has now, while I can. At issue is the fact that I cannot delete my HN profile, nor go back and delete posts. I find that troublesome.