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FYI, Korean alphabet (Hangul) is fully ordered[1], and Korean unicode block[2] strictly follows it. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Alphabetic_order
by esjeon 5y ago
FYI, Korean alphabet (Hangul) is fully ordered[1], and Korean unicode block[2] strictly follows it.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Alphabetic_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Alphabetic_order
[2]: https://unicode.org/charts/PDF/UAC00.pdf https://unicode.org/charts/PDF/UAC00.pdf
- est 5y agoHangul has order because it's enumerable. Hanja on the other hand, does not have order and it's not enumerable. (not enumerable as in written text as strokes can be combined and invented on the fly, enumerable if you think it's a finite charset on computers)
- yorwba 5y agoNew characters can be invented on the fly, but not every random scribble would be considered a character. In practice, only a handful of different stroke types are used, which gives even newly invented nonsense characters a recognizable visual style. For any finite stroke count, there's only a finite number of combinations, so the infinte set of characters with unbounded stroke count can be enumerated. It can also be sorted using the radical and stroke count, although then you can't enumerate it in order because there's an infinite number of possible characters for each radical.
- oehtXRwMkIs 5y agoIt's so annoying how "CJK" groups Hangul with completely different writing systems. And even makes people think they're similar.
- gumby 5y agoWell, Hanja can also appear inline in otherwise Hangul texts. Vietnamese has a similar issue though their use of an extended Roman alphabet ended up in a slightly different place, Unicode-wise. I don't remember the decision but I believe it might have been at the request of some RoK people. There might also be an issue if old Hanja-only texts need to be handled differently from Hanzi rendering/processing. That would not surprise me. Still, I agree it seems pretty weird.
- lmm 5y agoHangul and Hiragana are not so dissimilar AFAIK? But the point of saying "CJK" is the other direction: codepoints subject to Han unification may represent Hanzi, Kanji or Hanja.
- anoncake 5y agoHangul is actually just an alphabet. Each square hangul character is composed of 2-3 letters. Hiragana is a syllabary.
- DemocracyFTW 5y ago> Korean alphabet (Hangul) is fully ordered Buuuut historically, there have been several ways to arrange Hangul linearly, and the prevailing sorting in dictionaries differes between North and South Korea.
- lifthrasiir 5y agoThis is why I had to point out that order does exist, just that there are too many such orders.