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If Russia attacks the British navy in Ukrainian (according to everyone but the Russians) waters which the British navy has permission to be in, that's just an o

by gpm 5y ago

If Russia attacks the British navy in Ukrainian (according to everyone but the Russians) waters which the British navy has permission to be in, that's just an outright aggressive act of war. Britian, and/or other members of nato, might well decide to shoot back. They might not too, it's borderline, but no one knows quite where that line is. If forced to bet on an outcome I would bet on nato sinking a Russian ship of comparable size also in Crimean waters.

rsj_hn 5y ago
> Britian, and/or other members of nato, might well decide to shoot back. This type of fantasizing reminds me of someone getting bullied in the schoolyard and then dreaming that he is beating up his nemesis. Neither the UK nor NATO are going to start a shooting war near crimea, and the UK Navy simply isn't in a position to do anything there. Everyone knows this. Fantasizing about things being otherwise isn't a good use of anyone's time.
- strogonoff 5y ago
  > Neither the UK nor Nato are going to start a shooting war near crimea, and the UK Navy simply isn't in a position to do anything there Exactly. No one wants a war, and no one’s starting it, including Russia whose only choice is to make noise at passing UK warships and live with it. Got to admire the move by the British, who understand that well.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    So let me understand your point correctly, Britain, by doing absolutely nothing useful and needlessly increasing tensions and creating a risk of war by transiting a ship that could have been blown up any second, was doing an admirable move? Seems to me it was toxic internal propaganda and nothing actually useful. Meanwhile Russia sees absolutely no consequence, and they won't.
    - strogonoff 5y ago
      Exploiting the conundrum that Russian dictatorship has holed itself into, making it question own decisions without unnecessary bloodshed? It has shown itself an aggressor and is alone against pretty much the whole developed world. It won’t start a war, since it will lose (both the war and the approval of own population, already not that far from revolution or civil war). All it can do is watch and bite its elbow.
sudosysgen 5y ago
NATO is not required to an will not reply to such a request as a matter of treaty. Britain is not able and not interested in retaking Crimea. It will not happen. They can shoot back at useless targets, but if Britain provokes a war with Russia in Crimea it will simply be defeated.
- strogonoff 5y ago
  Ah, such naive wishful thinking that this will be a 1:1 conflict and the entire planet will just sit back and watch the UK burn.

by gpm 5y ago

rsj_hn 5y ago

> Britian, and/or other members of nato, might well decide to shoot back. This type of fantasizing reminds me of someone getting bullied in the schoolyard and then dreaming that he is beating up his nemesis. Neither the UK nor NATO are going to start a shooting war near crimea, and the UK Navy simply isn't in a position to do anything there. Everyone knows this. Fantasizing about things being otherwise isn't a good use of anyone's time.

strogonoff 5y ago
> Neither the UK nor Nato are going to start a shooting war near crimea, and the UK Navy simply isn't in a position to do anything there Exactly. No one wants a war, and no one’s starting it, including Russia whose only choice is to make noise at passing UK warships and live with it. Got to admire the move by the British, who understand that well.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  So let me understand your point correctly, Britain, by doing absolutely nothing useful and needlessly increasing tensions and creating a risk of war by transiting a ship that could have been blown up any second, was doing an admirable move? Seems to me it was toxic internal propaganda and nothing actually useful. Meanwhile Russia sees absolutely no consequence, and they won't.
  - strogonoff 5y ago
    Exploiting the conundrum that Russian dictatorship has holed itself into, making it question own decisions without unnecessary bloodshed? It has shown itself an aggressor and is alone against pretty much the whole developed world. It won’t start a war, since it will lose (both the war and the approval of own population, already not that far from revolution or civil war). All it can do is watch and bite its elbow.

sudosysgen 5y ago

NATO is not required to an will not reply to such a request as a matter of treaty. Britain is not able and not interested in retaking Crimea. It will not happen. They can shoot back at useless targets, but if Britain provokes a war with Russia in Crimea it will simply be defeated.

strogonoff 5y ago
Ah, such naive wishful thinking that this will be a 1:1 conflict and the entire planet will just sit back and watch the UK burn.