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https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/champlain-towers-south-public-records/8777-collins-ave---stru

https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default-document-library/town-clerk-documents/champlain-towers-south-public-records/8777-collins-ave---structural-field-survey-report.pdf?sfvrsn=882a1194_2 https://www.townofsurfsidefl.gov/docs/default-source/default...

MattGaiser 5y ago
Thank you.
cm2012 5y ago
I can see why the condo didn't jump on this. There's not a lot of urgency on the repairs in the letter, and certainly no warning of "do this or the structure will collapse".
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  Would that normally be in such a document? Plenty of engineering type documents I have read don't lay out threats in plain English nor do they try to add emotional urgency to them. Reminds me of this comment about how scientists sometimes understate how certain they are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c&t=785s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c&t=785s.
- acomjean 5y ago
  I was on a condo board. “Structual problems” in any report is a major red flag. Most buildings like this hire a management company to deal talk with the engineers and beside the report let the building know what it happening. a resident in the article says they took a 15 million dolllar assessment for repairs. So it’s not like it was being ignored. Also I’m wondering how the building insurers were handled. We had to replace a beam after extensive water damage in our 35 unit building. The units above were evacuated. Nothing collapsed but between the mold and water damage it was a nightmare. The building that collapsed had an twin. Supposedly better maintained but it will be interesting to see what’s going on with it. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collapse-neighbor-evacuations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collaps...
jfim 5y ago
It's interesting that the report begins by mentioning water infiltration issues in some units and that the part about structural damage only starts on page seven. I wonder if that's usual for this kind of report to put the major expensive structural repairs at the end.

MattGaiser 5y ago

Thank you.

cm2012 5y ago

I can see why the condo didn't jump on this. There's not a lot of urgency on the repairs in the letter, and certainly no warning of "do this or the structure will collapse".

MattGaiser 5y ago
Would that normally be in such a document? Plenty of engineering type documents I have read don't lay out threats in plain English nor do they try to add emotional urgency to them. Reminds me of this comment about how scientists sometimes understate how certain they are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c&t=785s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c&t=785s.
acomjean 5y ago
I was on a condo board. “Structual problems” in any report is a major red flag. Most buildings like this hire a management company to deal talk with the engineers and beside the report let the building know what it happening. a resident in the article says they took a 15 million dolllar assessment for repairs. So it’s not like it was being ignored. Also I’m wondering how the building insurers were handled. We had to replace a beam after extensive water damage in our 35 unit building. The units above were evacuated. Nothing collapsed but between the mold and water damage it was a nightmare. The building that collapsed had an twin. Supposedly better maintained but it will be interesting to see what’s going on with it. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collapse-neighbor-evacuations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/26/us/miami-building-collaps...

jfim 5y ago

It's interesting that the report begins by mentioning water infiltration issues in some units and that the part about structural damage only starts on page seven. I wonder if that's usual for this kind of report to put the major expensive structural repairs at the end.