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Since the parent mentioned the UK, this example springs to mind: https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/05/a-backlash-against-gender-ideology-is-start
by livueta 5y ago
Since the parent mentioned the UK, this example springs to mind:
https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/05/a-backlash-against-gender-ideology-is-starting-in-universities https://www.economist.com/international/2021/06/05/a-backlas...
Discussed at: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27603912 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27603912
> The arguments the two sides put forward, in other words, are complex and debatable. But many trans activists think that any disagreement is tantamount to hate speech and try to suppress it. Some universities with policies that reflect the belief that trans women are women have acted on complaints about people who do nothing more than express a contrary view. In May, after students at Abertay University in Dundee reported that a student had said at a seminar that women have vaginas and men are stronger, the university launched an investigation.
Regardless of personal opinions on the topic, the fact that it gets this sort of is-it-or-isn't-it treatment in a major newspaper, on top of the seesawing behavior from universities described in the article itself, is a good indication that the topic's nature as "hate speech" or not is fairly ambiguous.
When everybody is participating in good faith, "I know it when I see it" obscenity test type stuff works fine. It's less obviously useful of a yardstick when there's a clear incentive to make bad faith claims against ideological or organizational rivals.
- IgorPartola 5y agoSo this almost word for word reminds me of the moral panic of the 1990s about political correctness. “There is a professor, he is doing professor thing and he know a bunch about this subject but the students went after him and he wasn’t allowed to continue to teach and now we have less education.” In reality in those cases there was almost no backlash and in fact everyone treated the professor with kid gloves while what he purported to have done was way worse and what the students had done was way overblown (see the Political Correctness of the excellent podcast called You Are Wrong About). So pardon me if I don’t buy this particular article/story line.
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- bingbingbong 5y agoYou asked for an ambiguous example and you got one. What do you mean you don't buy it?