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I suspect anti-white speech would not be considered hate speech according to the YMCA of Canada. An "intersectional equity lens" often implies the redefinition

I suspect anti-white speech would not be considered hate speech according to the YMCA of Canada. An "intersectional equity lens" often implies the redefinition as racism as racism-plus-power, viewing all whites as empowered and all non-whites as oppressed. We know anti-white speech can and does incite violence, as it did last week in Daytona Beach: https://twitter.com/gwupoe/status/1409137548899893251 https://twitter.com/gwupoe/status/1409137548899893251 It can also incite white identity politics, which to me is the much bigger problem caused by this sort of law.

prvc 5y ago
>§ 15.1 Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. >§ 15.2 Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. Indeed, this is covered by the Charter. Confer with "All animals are equal/ But some etc."
- etripe 5y ago
  What seems to be missing from the list of classes is sexual orientation. Is this just how it appears from the outside?
  - novok 5y ago
    It was written before gay rights was much of a thing, I think in the 70s. I'm fairly certain it's there as a normal law although.
TMWNN 5y ago
>It can also incite white identity politics, which to me is the much bigger problem caused by this sort of law. "Part of left's problem is it expects/demands blacks/hispanics to vote on ethnic basis but is appalled when whites do" (<https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113 https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113>)
- neartheplain 5y ago
  The quote from the Labour MP is absolutely correct. Doubly so when whites are told that they're always "acting to preserve their own power and privilege", even when they're not, and they've been raised to despise the behavior they feel criticized for doing. This leads to the mindset of "well, if I'm a racist either way, I'd rather be one who actually DOES look out for my own self-interest." It's a classic Prisoner's Dilemma [0]. I feel this dilemma quite deeply myself. I vastly prefer a society that treats people as individuals, while still condemning racism and teaching its role in our history, but if every other group acts selfishly and I still get called a racist either way, then at the very least I won't be a sucker too. Lately this manifests in access to education. Consider this excerpt from a Washington Post report on admissions changes at Thomas Jefferson, the nation's #1 high school: >Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended. Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers. >The county at large was 60 percent White, 10 percent Black, 20 percent Asian and 17 percent Hispanic in 2020, according to Fairfax government data. >Still, the sharp decline in Asian representation is sure to stoke controversy in the Fairfax school system, a Northern Virginia district of 180,000 located just outside D.C. Tensions stoked by "a decline in Asian representation"? What about the white parents, whose children make up 60% of the county but just 22% of TJ students? White students are now the most underrepresented race in TJ admissions, by a lot. The possibility that they might object to this status isn't even considered. In this case, every other big racial group is now openly fighting for their own self-interest, in the courts and the bureacracy, except for whites. How long do we expect this to last? The solution is to preserve and rebuild trust between people of different racial and ethnic groups, including white people. I don't know how best to do this, exactly, but laws like the one proposed in Canada are probably on the wrong track. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-admissions-changes-thomas-jefferson-high-will-welcome-most-diverse-class-in-recent-history-officials-say/ar-AALmFm0 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-admissions-changes-t...
notanazi 5y ago
It's funny all the detestable worms I've seen suddenly crawling out of the woodwork trying to defend critical race theory by lying and mischaracterizing it as "acknowledging racism exists", and not by the racist divisive hateful unscientific and unproven disaster that is the type of garbage you're talking about. I wonder what set them off suddenly. Hopefully people are waking up to their lies and hate. EDIT: Seems we've got a lot of racist hatemongers and their supporters on this site. Gross.
justbored123 5y ago
You are speculating. There's no reason to believe that. So far it only says "hate speech" and nothing about "power" or "white".
- jaspax 5y ago
  You're right, there's no reason to believe that. At least, not unless you've been paying any attention at all to the rhetoric and explicit ideological content of "anti-racism" over the past decade and you're able to locate this bill in that context.
  - prohobo 5y ago
    There are still people who think the woke thing is just a fad and doesn't actually affect anyone.
    - iagovar 5y ago
      Well, but it does. People loses their job. Maybe you didn't but you know someone who did, or a public figure you like. Also, it affects personal relationships. It's amazing how my conservative friends unload their thoughts on me, because thy are afraid to speak frankly with other people.
      - prohobo 5y ago
        Right, it has psychological effects on anyone who it targets (directly or indirectly). There's a debilitating mental burden that gets put on you when you are constantly trying to defend yourself or others against assailants who don't adhere to any basis in reality or principles. Most likely it's a social problem; the pain of challenging your own community and being alienated. It's also commonly seen in people who have to deal with narcissistic abuse. Just as a historical anecdote, it was common for the resistance in the Soviet union to have mental health issues because of having to wrestle with all of the propaganda, insane behaviours, accusations and attacks. The Soviets took advantage of that by accusing anyone who had negative views of the government or culture of being schizophrenics and locking them in institutions.
qbat10 5y ago
In Europe there have been many attacks by suspected Islamists, the latest one just this week: https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-police-say-several-killed-in-knife-attack-in-wuerzburg/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-police-say-several-kill... The skin color of the victims is not mentioned in these cases, so I presume they were white. If anyone were to say that white lives matter, he would be branded a racist.
everdrive 5y ago
It's completely maddening how backwards this thinking is: > Racism is bad. > People from the same race have the same traits, guilt (or victimhood) and needs.

prvc 5y ago

>§ 15.1 Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. >§ 15.2 Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. Indeed, this is covered by the Charter. Confer with "All animals are equal/ But some etc."

etripe 5y ago
What seems to be missing from the list of classes is sexual orientation. Is this just how it appears from the outside?
- novok 5y ago
  It was written before gay rights was much of a thing, I think in the 70s. I'm fairly certain it's there as a normal law although.

TMWNN 5y ago

>It can also incite white identity politics, which to me is the much bigger problem caused by this sort of law. "Part of left's problem is it expects/demands blacks/hispanics to vote on ethnic basis but is appalled when whites do" (<https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113 https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113>)

neartheplain 5y ago
The quote from the Labour MP is absolutely correct. Doubly so when whites are told that they're always "acting to preserve their own power and privilege", even when they're not, and they've been raised to despise the behavior they feel criticized for doing. This leads to the mindset of "well, if I'm a racist either way, I'd rather be one who actually DOES look out for my own self-interest." It's a classic Prisoner's Dilemma [0]. I feel this dilemma quite deeply myself. I vastly prefer a society that treats people as individuals, while still condemning racism and teaching its role in our history, but if every other group acts selfishly and I still get called a racist either way, then at the very least I won't be a sucker too. Lately this manifests in access to education. Consider this excerpt from a Washington Post report on admissions changes at Thomas Jefferson, the nation's #1 high school: >Eleven percent of this year’s offers will go to Hispanic students, and 7 percent will go to Black students — both representing significant increases. 22 percent of this year’s offers are going to White students — a number that is largely consistent with the past four years, when White students accounted for between 17 and 22 percent of offers extended. Fifty-four percent of offers are going to Asian students, a marked decrease. In previous years, Asian students have accounted for between 65 and 75 percent of all offers. >The county at large was 60 percent White, 10 percent Black, 20 percent Asian and 17 percent Hispanic in 2020, according to Fairfax government data. >Still, the sharp decline in Asian representation is sure to stoke controversy in the Fairfax school system, a Northern Virginia district of 180,000 located just outside D.C. Tensions stoked by "a decline in Asian representation"? What about the white parents, whose children make up 60% of the county but just 22% of TJ students? White students are now the most underrepresented race in TJ admissions, by a lot. The possibility that they might object to this status isn't even considered. In this case, every other big racial group is now openly fighting for their own self-interest, in the courts and the bureacracy, except for whites. How long do we expect this to last? The solution is to preserve and rebuild trust between people of different racial and ethnic groups, including white people. I don't know how best to do this, exactly, but laws like the one proposed in Canada are probably on the wrong track. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-admissions-changes-thomas-jefferson-high-will-welcome-most-diverse-class-in-recent-history-officials-say/ar-AALmFm0 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-admissions-changes-t...

notanazi 5y ago

It's funny all the detestable worms I've seen suddenly crawling out of the woodwork trying to defend critical race theory by lying and mischaracterizing it as "acknowledging racism exists", and not by the racist divisive hateful unscientific and unproven disaster that is the type of garbage you're talking about. I wonder what set them off suddenly. Hopefully people are waking up to their lies and hate. EDIT: Seems we've got a lot of racist hatemongers and their supporters on this site. Gross.

justbored123 5y ago

You are speculating. There's no reason to believe that. So far it only says "hate speech" and nothing about "power" or "white".

jaspax 5y ago
You're right, there's no reason to believe that. At least, not unless you've been paying any attention at all to the rhetoric and explicit ideological content of "anti-racism" over the past decade and you're able to locate this bill in that context.
- prohobo 5y ago
  There are still people who think the woke thing is just a fad and doesn't actually affect anyone.
  - iagovar 5y ago
    Well, but it does. People loses their job. Maybe you didn't but you know someone who did, or a public figure you like. Also, it affects personal relationships. It's amazing how my conservative friends unload their thoughts on me, because thy are afraid to speak frankly with other people.
    - prohobo 5y ago
      Right, it has psychological effects on anyone who it targets (directly or indirectly). There's a debilitating mental burden that gets put on you when you are constantly trying to defend yourself or others against assailants who don't adhere to any basis in reality or principles. Most likely it's a social problem; the pain of challenging your own community and being alienated. It's also commonly seen in people who have to deal with narcissistic abuse. Just as a historical anecdote, it was common for the resistance in the Soviet union to have mental health issues because of having to wrestle with all of the propaganda, insane behaviours, accusations and attacks. The Soviets took advantage of that by accusing anyone who had negative views of the government or culture of being schizophrenics and locking them in institutions.

qbat10 5y ago

In Europe there have been many attacks by suspected Islamists, the latest one just this week: https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-police-say-several-killed-in-knife-attack-in-wuerzburg/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-police-say-several-kill... The skin color of the victims is not mentioned in these cases, so I presume they were white. If anyone were to say that white lives matter, he would be branded a racist.

everdrive 5y ago

It's completely maddening how backwards this thinking is: > Racism is bad. > People from the same race have the same traits, guilt (or victimhood) and needs.